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Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by kcplate » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 3:04 AM UTC

ipqk wrote: post #65

I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.

I’m sure it’s not reported (because it lessens the impact of the story), but I guarantee Twitter will compensate Tesla if Tesla resources are used. However, I bet it it’s contractor engineers that are used who might have also worked at Tesla.

Been there, done that.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by earth2mars » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 3:09 AM UTC

godelmachine wrote: post #523

lupire wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone take him seriously when he is making a massive embarrassment of himself on his first day on the job (after doing the same for months leading up to the takeover?) Musk didn't know the bio of the CEO of the company he was buying (who was also former CTO, engineer, Stanford PhD (thesis topic: making decisions under uncertainty), IPhO gold medalist, top tier Indian tech student) and called him a non-tech…

Source?

"funding secured" "pedo guy" and this total twitter fiasco where he was forced to pay premium to buy it. These are few examples where he made fool of himself.

Though, people can be super smart and yet so stupid at the same time. It doesn't have to be binary. (Who am I to judge though!)

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by wahnfrieden » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 3:10 AM UTC

moralestapia wrote: post #517

lupire wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone take him seriously when he is making a massive embarrassment of himself on his first day on the job (after doing the same for months leading up to the takeover?) Musk didn't know the bio of the CEO of the company he was buying (who was also former CTO, engineer, Stanford PhD (thesis topic: making decisions under uncertainty), IPhO gold medalist, top tier Indian tech student) and called him a non-tech…

>Why would anyone take him seriously [...] Well, they should, he is their boss now.

“No one should be the boss of anybody” - Elon Musk 2022

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by aclatuts » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 3:11 AM UTC

longrod wrote: post #448

I think people are looking at this the wrong way. It's not so much about the code as it is about establishing an authority. Musk takeover is often regarded as banditry and I wouldn't be surprised if the employees didn't take him seriously in the beginning. This is his way of saying, "I don't trust you, I don't know what you have been up to but things are going to be different so better get used to it." Using Tesla en…

Yeah, I don't see the problem. Tesla investors benefit from SpaceX material science expertise solely because Elon owns SpaceX and allocates the time and resources. I don't see Tesla investors complaining about that.

I would view it as a way for Tesla engineers getting paid to go to a software conference. It is definitely possible to learn something during the code review to take back to Tesla.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by friend_and_foe » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 3:12 AM UTC

lohii wrote: post #154

If someone completely new to my codebase came along and tried to evaluate my code I'd laugh. You can't jump in and "evaluate" without knowing context and being familiar with the features.

I don't think the goal here is code review. They're trying to gauge a few things: 1) are you competent? 2) are you coasting or genuinely contributing? 3) are you actually dedicated to improving the product or more concerned with office politics and inserting your ideology?

A quick interview and a little demonstration of contribution can help assess these things significantly, you don't have to understand the codebase that much to do it.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by vlovich123 » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 3:13 AM UTC

lupire wrote: post #470

longrod wrote: post #448

I think people are looking at this the wrong way. It's not so much about the code as it is about establishing an authority. Musk takeover is often regarded as banditry and I wouldn't be surprised if the employees didn't take him seriously in the beginning. This is his way of saying, "I don't trust you, I don't know what you have been up to but things are going to be different so better get used to it." Using Tesla en…

Why would anyone take him seriously when he is making a massive embarrassment of himself on his first day on the job (after doing the same for months leading up to the takeover?) Musk didn't know the bio of the CEO of the company he was buying (who was also former CTO, engineer, Stanford PhD (thesis topic: making decisions under uncertainty), IPhO gold medalist, top tier Indian tech student) and called him a non-tech…

I have failed to source this claim after some searching:

> Musk didn't know the bio of the CEO of the company he was buying (who was also former CTO, engineer, Stanford PhD (thesis topic: making decisions under uncertainty), IPhO gold medalist, top tier Indian tech student) and called him a non-technical "manager type" and refused to ask him any technical questions.

Is there some news report you’re referencing or some non public information you’ve been privy to?

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by tronicdude » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 3:13 AM UTC

godelmachine wrote: post #523

lupire wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone take him seriously when he is making a massive embarrassment of himself on his first day on the job (after doing the same for months leading up to the takeover?) Musk didn't know the bio of the CEO of the company he was buying (who was also former CTO, engineer, Stanford PhD (thesis topic: making decisions under uncertainty), IPhO gold medalist, top tier Indian tech student) and called him a non-tech…

Source?

https://tinyurl.com/2p8yds6e

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by mathieuh » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 3:14 AM UTC

lake-view wrote: post #510

kibwen wrote: post #455

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Only incompetent managers (and executives) think that "authority" is interchangeable with "respect". Fortunately for Musk, incompetence rarely disqualifies billionaires from anything.

I'm not a fanboy, and there are many things you could call Elon Musk, but incompetent isn't credibly one of them.

How many times has he tanked his own company’s stock with ill-advised comments? Do you think this Twitter saga demonstrates competence?

In my experience, outside tech bro circles he is unanimously regarded as an idiot and not someone to emulate.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by okay_dude13 » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 3:14 AM UTC

bpodgursky wrote: post #488

tasty_freeze wrote: post #203

I don't at all object to code reviews/evaluation, but the thing I wonder about is this: I rarely open an empty file and write some big block of code. 98% of the time I'm fixing bugs in legacy code or shimming in some new feature. It would be trivial to produce the diffs I generated in the past 30 or 60 days, but the volume of code isn't really a great metric for my productivity. There may be some three line change th…

I think this is true and an big problem when artificially separating the top 10% from the top 20%, or top 1% from top 5%... ... but in practice, I think you will find 0 overlap in raw lines of code produced between the top 10% developers and the bottom 10% developers. Especially at a notoriously unproductive organization like Twitter, the bottom tier simply does nothing. If Musk is trying to cut 60% of the org, he's…

> notoriously unproductive

Pretty crazy this is the first comment stating the obvious in a forum full of programmers with friends at Twitter.

Truly the most bonkers underemployed place. Engineers with debilitating levels of ADHD not taking their meds, doing 2 hours of meetings a week and then spacing out on internal tools no one uses. People who come and complain about harassment and abuse, relentlessly campaigning against their bosses’s priorities from day one, and like hardly making a single commit a week.

It’s CRAZY. I have never heard from people paid so much who do bonafide so little. And they’re OBVIOUSLY dysfunctional. You can talk to these employees for 1 minute and realize they need to be fired, it wasn’t necessary to do an analysis.

Personally I would close down the non SF offices first. Then I would move the best ads people from NY to SF where they can be bettered monitored. Then it will be fine.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by notjoemama » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 3:15 AM UTC

cercatrova wrote: post #520

lupire wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone take him seriously when he is making a massive embarrassment of himself on his first day on the job (after doing the same for months leading up to the takeover?) Musk didn't know the bio of the CEO of the company he was buying (who was also former CTO, engineer, Stanford PhD (thesis topic: making decisions under uncertainty), IPhO gold medalist, top tier Indian tech student) and called him a non-tech…

Why does Twitter need to end? Have you before and do you currently use Twitter? I've met and talked to a great deal of cool people on there, such as a lot of prominent people in the web dev space, as well as scientists in various fields. Twitter is just a social network, it can be used for good or for bad, based on who one follows. That people think it needs to end for whatever reason (or maybe they're only used to t…

I agree it shouldn't end, but what I do wish would end is the new media reaching for tweets to pump drama for engagement on their platforms. The economy for attention is just exhausting as an end user, even if I agree with what's being said.

No, I do not need to be informed about X person who said Y thing on Twitter of all places, told to me from talking heads I've never heard of, that want me to be outraged for all the reasons they hate X person or Y statement.

Maybe it's not Twitter's fault, rather people using it as a tool to foment hate on principal. It's certainly not from being well informed via the platform or the news media. Thank God IRL people don't work that way.