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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra
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Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra
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Depends if it will enforce Windows' CA only, or if it will trust UEFI 3rd party CA too. See also "Secured-core PCs".
Despite much FUD spread in Linux nerd circles online, Linux can run just fine on it.
Do you have a citation for this? I'm marginally interested in this device, but only if I am certain I can run Linux on it.
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#533Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can put a 2.5gbe adapter on the USB ports I guess.
That would likely be stretching the USB interface to the limit. Ethernet is full-duplex, USB is not. Also this SoC doesn't even seem to have proper publicly available datasheet, and whatever marketing stuff qcom has on their website doesn't list USB at all, lol. So for all I care it can have just one host controller. Not interested in SoC with no datasheets, when it's not possible to answer basic questions about the…
USB 3.x is full-duplex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_3.0
Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra
#534Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra
#535Earlier quoted context omitted.
Data centers know power/heat is everything. I’m not surprised they’re leading the way. But as a consumer you’re stuck. You should have a machine with the performance of any normal/good laptop with way better thermals and battery life. I’m not sure what the Uber-high end laptop would look like but surely it would do better than today. The scale needs adjusting. What counts as “too hot”, “too short battery life”, “mini…
> The industry acts like Macs are magic and therefor incomparable. The cheapest M1 is $1300 in Canada. MacBook Pros are well over $2000. These prices are far beyond the budget of the majority of computer users. They are also beyond the requirements . > Of course that Boeing goes faster, it’s a jet engine plane. You can’t compare that to our cars. No, it's like comparing a BMW to a Honda. You spend a lot less money an…
I’m only trying to talk about just the chips.
Yes, the MBA is more expensive than most people would want to pay.
But it’s also not comparable to those laptops. It has a very high quality Retina display, the all-metal unibody construction, and Apple’s infamous profit margins.
There is no reason to think putting a similarly efficient processor in an otherwise standard PC laptop would raise the price much. Heck, Intel loves there margins too.
I don’t think the chip is too expensive. It’s all the other choices Apple makes that push the price up so much.
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#536A lot of people commenting that MS should not have went with Qualcomm on this device, although I don't think this locks Windows into Qualcomm. More importantly, I'm super curious to see what Qualcomm announces in December in reference to the next generation chips being designed by the Nuvia team (some of the people that designed the M1). ARM is suing to prevent it, but that seems shortsighted, and I assume it will net out that the Nuvia design will launch, but may have to pay some additional license money to ARM.
FWIW the M1 is a little more than twice as fast on GeekBench, but also uses twice the power (TDP). So sort of similar speed score per watt, so possibly they can be within the same ballpark as Apple in the next couple years.
Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra
#537If I click on the "You can purchase the dev-kit here" button, I get "We are sorry, the page you requested cannot be found". Probably because the device is not available in my country, but then at least show a page explaining I can't purchase the device based on my IP or whatever. This was a really bad experience.
I connected to a UK server through my VPN and managed to put in an order :)
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#538Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It’s either MS keeps up or the future ahead is dark. You say that as if Apple will become some sort of PC-market hegemon, driving consumers and professionals to use its proprietary ARM hardware and OS despite having traditional Windows- or Linux-based workflows, simply because Apple's ARM is just so much faster . Here's the third option: nobody cares what Apple is doing over in its corner of the PC market; the PC m…
I wish Apple's proprietary computing platform keep niche but continue building good products. However iPhone become top share on some market and perhaps is it much higher share on enterprise?
PCs and "sealed consumer information-consumption appliances" (phones, tablets) are different market verticals — they will never converge, because the buyers of them have different needs that result in mutually-exclusive design constraints.
Even in Japan, where "nobody" owns a home PC, offices are still full of PCs; nobody is being handed a Macbook to do their work from, let alone a phone or tablet.
In my opinion, it's perfectly fine for Apple to win the "sealed appliance" space — since ~everybody else (your Samsungs, your Xiaomis, even Google) is just trying to do the same proprietary vertical-integration play that Apple is doing in that space; they're just worse at it than Apple is.
In contrast, Apple will never win the PC space, since their whole market strategy — "give people something different that forces them into our ecosystem" — is (and always has been) anathema to how boring, non-IT businesses want to use computers. Even companies whose workflows depend entirely on macOS "killer apps" (like desktop publishes back in the 1980s), who begrudgingly buy Macs to fulfill those needs, constantly lobby their app-developer ISVs to go multiplatform, so that they can toss out the Macs and revert to doing the same boring PC-centered IT that every other company around them is doing.
(And do note that Apple isn't trying to win the PC space. They were trying, historically — maybe up until the year 2001 or so. But ever since the iPod, and then the iPhone, Apple's strategy has moved to treating the Mac as a halo product category — a nice-to-have for those already in the Apple ecosystem for other reasons — rather than as something that's going to usurp the PC in its place one day. It's why, around that time, they killed XServe and Airport routers: they saw no further benefit in attempting to achieve corporate ubiquity, rather than complementarity.)
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#539I'm so hyped about this.
I'm sure this won't be M1-levels of performance, but I'm glad to see Microsoft move towards ARM. I can totally see in a few years more manufacturers building ARM-based SoCs to run on laptops, desktops, etc.
Makes me happy I TA'd a course on ARM programming 10 years ago.I'm extremely bullish on ARM's future.
Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra
#540Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would likely be stretching the USB interface to the limit. Ethernet is full-duplex, USB is not. Also this SoC doesn't even seem to have proper publicly available datasheet, and whatever marketing stuff qcom has on their website doesn't list USB at all, lol. So for all I care it can have just one host controller. Not interested in SoC with no datasheets, when it's not possible to answer basic questions about the…
USB 3.x is full-duplex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_3.0
Hm. Thanks for clarification.