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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Amazon stole (to the court's knowledge) 8.2 million dollars from its workers and was not penalized. Was there a poll about that too?

whataboutism! Or as my mom told me, two wrongs do not make a right

Extremely relevant here though. It's propaganda in the sense that there is much more media handwringing about a missing package on an upper middle class person's porch than there is about thousands of dollars of wage theft a year from poor workers. It's these misplaced priorities all together that make the propaganda work.

Edit to add: this example just happened to be on my mind recently. I intended it as an evocative example of priority setting, not as a thorough proof or something. But there is plenty of other evidence that crime reporting is carried out according to a propagandist program. For example, media critics have carefully surveyed how routine crime statistics are reported, and found that the ones that get headlines are often extremely cherry-picked and reported on out of context. Like "murders in neighborhood x increased 20% this year" is often the headline when murders overall in the area are going down, other crime is down even in that neighborhood, and the 20% is based on a baseline of like 10 murders anyway, so the 20% increase is well within the noise. And of course, they leave out the comparison to ten or thirty years ago, when the rate was substantially higher. Crime reporting is like that year after year, no matter what is happening to crime rates overall. Not to mention that "so and so thinks briefly about reducing police budget" is considered newsworthy -- even when those budget reductions rarely come into effect -- while the norm of police budgets that balloon year after year and are overspent year after year is rarely mentioned.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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post #358

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> the abysmal dating prospects It really is bad, right, and not my imagination? I feel like I’ve wasted a decade of my life here on an endless string of bad first dates with no mutual attraction. It wasn’t like that in other places I’ve lived. I mentioned this to a family member recently, and they said it’s harder because I’m getting older. That’s probably true, but I swear it’s rough in this city. It’s a bit like bu…

I found I had to put in more work to get similar results, from a place that was known to be 'easy' (in hindsight) to a place known to be hard. I found someone in about a year, and although they might not be 'the best', I do love them a lot and we have been together for a long time. Sometimes I wonder if I should've kept on dating sometimes although.

If you’re telling everyone here, I hope your partner feels the same way, and they know you feel this way.

If not, I hope you can get over your FOMO, or just keep searching for this imaginary ‘best’ partner that may or may not exist.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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> a city so rich Crime goes up when income gaps get bigger. https://financesonline.com/how-income-inequality-affects-cri...

There are many, many cities with much lower crime and much higher Gini coefficients than SF. Suggesting the crime problem we're discussing is the cause of income inequality is almost deliberately misleading.

> There are many, many cities with much lower crime and much higher

Do you mean cities with lower arrest rates? I don't know of any reliable source that shows actual crime rates.

> Suggesting the crime problem we're discussing is the cause of income inequality

We already know that income inequality causes higher crime. So it's almost certainly a factor. If anyone has sources to evidence for other factors, there's no reason to not be open to that evidence as well.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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As someone that's never been a victim of theft, that's wild and I feel like it would just ruin things for quite awhile. I had what I assume was a drunk person, try to get into my apartment once. Not something that should be too scary but I felt uneasy for some time after that. I'd be out wiring the house like ft. knox the next day, if that happened to me haha.

Without doxing yourself can you give a general idea where this place is? Do you know lots of people that have experienced theft and you are just lucky, or is it unusual? I don't think I even know anyone who hasn't had packages stolen or a car broken into or stuff taken from their yard at least. One guy where I used to live went in to get some water while mowing his front yard and came back as people drove away with h…

Oh, I don't live in SF. This was back when I lived near Washington DC!

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Without doxing yourself can you give a general idea where this place is? Do you know lots of people that have experienced theft and you are just lucky, or is it unusual? I don't think I even know anyone who hasn't had packages stolen or a car broken into or stuff taken from their yard at least. One guy where I used to live went in to get some water while mowing his front yard and came back as people drove away with h…

Ive loved in suburban New England all my life, and I don't know anyone who experienced theft or any sort of violent crime. I leave my door unlocked.

I have family in New England and this seems pretty accurate. Still lock doors tho :)

But its small enough that there's only a few "big" crimes a year which becomes the town gossip. This mostly involves some superintendent embezzling money or some criminals coming into town to steal catalytic converters lol

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Amazon stole (to the court's knowledge) 8.2 million dollars from its workers and was not penalized. Was there a poll about that too?

whataboutism! Or as my mom told me, two wrongs do not make a right

> Or as my mom told me, two wrongs do not make a right...

Sure, but you can learn a lot about a society based on which of the two wrongs they care about.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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As a cyclist myself, one of the reasons I don't support laws about cycle helmets is that police regularly use them (as they do many other laws) to harass people on the basis of race, wealth or other biases via inconsistent enforcement. And that's a law, that in theory, I might be convinced had some merit. Not some War on Drugs BS. How can you exist in the year 2022, have strong opinions on law and order on the intern…

I feel like we're not reading the same thread here. Cops going after minorities is a bad thing. But handcuffing the cops so badly that they have no interest in going after organized serial theft rings because they know that no charges will stick is just as much of a problem in the other direction. Unless you think it's fine to live in a place with 0 personal property protection there's obviously a middle ground that…

Something I didn't spell out, which may explain some of your confusion, there is such a thing as "drug related theft crimes", these are crimes committed by drug addicts to feed their habit.

They have a distinct pattern, and most of the crimes mentioned in this thread fit that pattern. So, if you try to be "tough on crime" by locking up people with addictions rather than helping them break their addiction and/or even just in some scenarios giving them drugs for free, then you are wasting both lives and money.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/DRRC.PDF

> Another dimension of drug-related crime is whether the offense is committed to obtain money (or goods to sell to get money) to support drug use. According to BJS national surveys, the most comprehensive information available, an estimated 17% of 1991 State prison inmates and 13% of convicted jail inmates in 1989 reported committing their offenses to get money to buy drugs (table␣3). Offenders convicted of robbery, burglary, and larceny/theft were most likely to commit their offense to obtain money to buy drugs. Offenders convicted of sexual assault and homicide were among the offenders least likely to commit the offense to sustain their drug habit.

I'm suggesting that we should listen to experts, and get the former group medical help, which frees up police time and resources to go after the second group of murderers and rapists, which helps the idea appeal to the tough on crime types even if it has the drawbacks of being more humane, more effective and cheaper as well as actually reducing crime.

But the War on Drugs was never really about the drugs in the first place, so it's not like this was some innocent mistake, it's a problem that got created and is now exploited to push more of the same bad policies.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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I thought the opposite. How can this not be at least a nationwide, if not worldwide reality? I live in the suburbs of Northern Utah. I’ve had bikes stolen from my yard, items stolen from my truck, money stolen from my wife’s purse, and those are just the one’s I can think of. We probably create millions of little opportunities in our lifetimes. A phone left unattended for a moment, neglecting to lock your car, leavin…

> How can this not be at least a nationwide, if not worldwide reality? It is certainly not worldwide. Take Japan for instance. Your stuff[0] left in the open will almost never be taken. And in the event they went missing, there's a good chance it's because someone took them to the nearest police box. [0] Umbrellas on rainy days are notable exceptions. But they're so cheap (a few dollars) many consider them "communal"…

You can’t have that and diversity.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Can you provide a link to these statements? How old are they? FWIW I don't live in SF but I've had a couple of car break-ins and I don't even remember if I reported them; it was a formality for insurance purposes if so and I never expected nor saw evidence of any police follow up. Are there cities where that's different?

NYC: > “Bragg said the office will stop prosecuting people for theft of services, trespassing (unless it accompanies a stalking charge), aggravated unlicensed operation, routine traffic violations not accompanied by felony charges, obstructing governmental administration, resisting arrest, and prostitution.“ https://gothamist.com/news/manhattan-da-bragg-tells-staff-st... The Manhattan DA subsequently claimed to roll…

The fact I learned about NYC fare evasion yesterday is that Andrew Cuomo's crackdown on fare evasion in 2019 cost more in police officer pay than was ever lost in fares. Not just more than was recovered by cracking down, literally more than was ever lost.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Could your data not be completely accounted for by a decrease in public trust in police effectiveness to address instances of crime at the level of individual instances?

Could you prove this is taking place? If not then I don't see how it invalidates the data. It could just as well be that people are more willing to report crime now. The only evidence available to us implies that crime is going down. Ideology is the only reason you might believe otherwise without evidence.

I see smoke, but the fire department has not confirmed that there’s a fire. Therefore, there’s no fire, and ideology is the only reason I might believe?

Note that I didn’t say “without evidence” at the end - smoke is evidence, as is an article that you’re commenting on talking about thefts that are common enough to make half of a city’s citizens victims in a five year period. And, you cite a source that notes that people aren’t reporting because nothing comes of it.

I mean, what reason other than ideology would explain your unwillingness to take that stuff as evidence?

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