The only issue with this is we can and have isolated clear mechanisms in which certain races are treated differently as compared to others (for example, names on resumes and interview rates, property assessments given a white looking household vs black looking household, pain management in hospitals for women of various races during childbirth, etc), and do I think it is fair to say that the expectation would be if t…
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Why are you so concerned with the potential aggregate IQ difference of large groups of people?
It’s irrelevant to the obvious and provable incidence of racism on the individual level.
I consider "restrictions of freedom of speech" justified only in the context of employment, during work hours, where said restriction directly influences your working output. If public school teachers want to teach woke pseudoscience on their own premises, during their off hours, using their own money, that's OK. I have absolutely no problem with increasing policing in white neighborhoods. The risk to people who are…
So, "restricting freedom of speech in any way" is actually "restricting freedom of speech in any way unless during working hours and influences working output". This revised definition now supports the use of DEI in the OP article. I will take your word that you'd be happy with increased policing even if it affected you personally, but I doubt that if you actually experienced it that you would be happy with the outco…
It's actually not consistent (and the example is compelled speech not restricting speech). But then again, I shouldn't be breaking what I said earlier about responding to sealioning.
This is now firmly in religious territory. Is there much of a difference between this and halal/kosher certification?
Ironically, most of the people against DEI are also likely people who would be AOK with more Christianity in schools and academics.
Indian immigrant here who’s also not religious nor Christian. I don’t want either of them to be in schools or academia. DEI is a religion nowadays.
I personally find a lot of this DEI stuff repulsive and even racist. It seems like soft bigotry of low expectations. Also, forced inorganic ideology (in this case DEI) makes people develop disdain for the very groups who are supposed to be included while keeping it hidden. It creates a toxic environment.
It also makes me, a minority, wonder if I got an opportunity because of my skin color or because of my qualification.
Also, we live in a world of interracial marriages and families. Such DEI policies create friction in such families where the minority family member may get some opportunity while the non minority family member gets their opportunity taken away.
Also, DEI policies simply don’t make logical sense to me. Indians, Asians and Nigerian immigrants are excelling in high paying jobs. Tons of tech CEOs are Indians. It doesn’t make logical sense to push for it even more.
I for one welcome this change. The whole university system has for decades been built on a house of straw and the ideologues of DIE are dismantling it bit by bit. What structures we build next will surely be interesting.
hoping it will not deflate further the value of public education in favour of private institutions or R&D companies which could gatekeep even further public uni graduates from "performative diploma mills". "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" scenario
Can an academic society in the USA today have an ideology explicitly presented as "the advancement and preservation of the white race"? No? Then your whole argument falls apart.
Yes, it definitely can. It'd just be laughed out of the building and no one but assholes would present there. AKA freedom works perfectly
Can you give me one example where such a society was allowed? Because I can give you plenty of examples where white ethnic activism was explicitly prohibited and people were kicked out of university for engaging in it.
I for one welcome this change. The whole university system has for decades been built on a house of straw and the ideologues of DIE are dismantling it bit by bit. What structures we build next will surely be interesting.
Yes this needs more adoption. Why aren't math papers being gauged for their DEI readiness before publication?!!? /s
Respectfully they should. Math papers against, fighting, or attacking DEI should be suspect.
Free Speech for Me--But Not for Thee: How the American Left and Right Relentlessly Censor Each Other (1992) [1] is a good read on how we got to a point where our ability to communicate across ideologies appears to be broken in many ways. For example, in 1963 Yale disinvited George Wallace, who was popular in the deep south, as a speaker. As a result, observers were deprived of a chance to hear opposing speakers' argu…
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> thinking of how fascism grew in Germany before WWII
Lots of research has been done controlling for income, adoption studies, and such, showing your words to be completely untrue.
Please cite it. Every time someone claims this, they come back citing something laughably easy to disprove like The Bell Curve, which claims this, and is just an absolute mess of obvious nonsense: Using deeply culturally and/or language biased IQ tests. Using IQ tests that essentially just test the quality of education they received. Sampling unrepresentative populations. Using studies from an Apartheid state as an e…
I don’t care to get in some debate at all, but first you’d have to offer up a very precise question and not some general smear campaign. If it’s some of the sentences you’re arguing with upthread, I might agree with you.
IQ is a deeply questionable metric to start with (I have yet to see good evidence IQ tests measure anything more than "how good at IQ tests you are", and as a child I obsessed over them and got very good at them by learning how to approach them, which means it very much isn't measuring something innate), tests are often (and in the case of the historic ones actually cited in the "evidence", all) culturally biased, an…
Lots of research has been done controlling for income, adoption studies, and such, showing your words to be completely untrue.