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What's the other >5%? Surely not *BSDs?
Some articles claim ChromeOS is at about 10% (Chromebooks)
Is that not a Linux kernel?
Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
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Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#532I recently looked into buying a linux laptop and it seems like only unattractive laptops were advised (thinkpads) and that you’d have to install linux on them yourself
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
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With TLP installed and properly configured? Strange, battery life of my x1c tends to be as good or better as on Windows.
The battery life of hidpi monitors is often much worse than the same machine with a lower resolution monitor.
Yes, but it doesn't have anything to do with operating system installed on such laptop. Also, not all of x1c's are equipped with such displays.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
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I'm a user and I don't find being made to directly edit config files user-friendly at all. Why on earth would I want to use a text editor to configure my printer? I don't use Powerpoint to edit photos either, even though in theory I probably could, but what a hassle. That sort of paradigm is fine for applications intended for professional use to be deployed to servers etc., but config management systems exist for tho…
Because you can diff the configs after changes? You can check into git so you have a history of changes? So you can copy the config to another machine? There are lots of reasons why text files are the preferred format to store configuration in. Other than perhaps a slight performance boost, why do we want settings in a non-human readable database? Hell, even Microsoft are starting to use json config files for stuff l…
Windows Terminal also has a GUI for most of the settings configuration.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
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> What motivation is there to attract non-technical users? Particularly ones who require lots of effort doing uninteresting polishing related tasks to keep them happy. First of all, adjusting scrolling speed is not an "uninteresting polishing related task," it is a basic standard of usability. Secondly, if you don't think Linux on laptops should be broadly usable by the general population, you are in the wrong thread…
This isn't either/or - you can have a nice preferences GUI and a sensible yaml or toml config file backend.
Except on Linux usually most environments stop at the config file part. And if a GUI tool happens to exist, it isn't kept in sync with the file format.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
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> Unless you have a thinkpad or some other popular hardware, you'll find Linux barely works at all out of the box, and even with hours of fiddling around, you'll still have to live without some features. I've had it work first time, perfectly on: - Tongfangs, 3 different models - Lenovo, many different models - Clevos, 2 different models - Asus Zenbooks, 2 different models - Too many Dells to count - Asus Zen2 deskto…
"I've had it work first time, perfectly on" In my world, running perfectly means, runs at least as good as windows. Same battery life and performance. No glitches with suspend, hibernation, etc. And I doubt that. Not because windows is so awesome, but because hardware manufacture write and optimize their drivers for windows. And linux is a way smaller market and one with intentional no stable driver ABI (to force the…
There are often things that do not work under Linux on different laptops and it depends on what you need and expect. However, consistently over many laptops (I am a computer hoarder and have 100s of laptops), after running my post install script, battery life always easily beats windows. For old and new laptops.
Recent example; someone gave me a cf19 which had a dodgy battery; it had the official Panasonic windows install with the Panasonic drivers and optimiser and the battery went from full to 0% in about 15 minutes; I did a windows 10 install, again with the official drivers and got about 15 minutes. Did a windows 10 install without drivers and got about 15 minutes. Did Ubuntu install with my post install script and get consistently 3.5 hours. Yes, I know this is a weird case; I bought a new battery by now and still get the same behaviour; no clue what’s up. I thought it was funny though because ‘windows better battery life’ people.
And this always happens; my x220 runs 8+ hours under Linux while barely getting to 4 under windows for the same work. GPD pocket 1 runs over 10 while under windows getting not even 4. And these are the ones I use all the time for work. I consistently see this and have no clue what people are doing who claim windows has better battery life; must be much different workloads. I use i3wm (which I believe makes all the difference; with Unity, battery life gets slashed by up to 80%), code in vscode and vim and browse in Firefox; but I do that under windows as well.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
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I can’t imagine not being in the “multi DPI” scenario though? It’s not some edge feature that affects a minority of power users, it’s just plugging an external display into a laptop. The DPIs almost never line up - not since high DPI displays became mainstream about 10 years ago.
I think this is more niche to care about than you might imagine. First off, a huge % of the population barely knows what an HDMI cable is and just doesn't plug their laptop into anything. Second, office workers might have a nice docking station setup, but in that case you are probably basically turning the laptop into a desktop (with a keyboard, mouse, and nice monitor) -- why bother with the laptop screen at all? Fi…
Because it is yet another screen to put stuff on.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
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same. it's been rock solid on thinkpads because thinkpads are some of the strongest pc laptops and as such have been popular (and well supported by) oss developers.
HP Elitebooks and Thinkpads are designed and built with Linux in mind. I never came across an HP Elitebook or Thinkpad which failed to run Linux out of the box. Dell XPS is the latest addition to this group. Consumer laptops come with a lot of trickery analogous to WinModems of the era, which require Windows specifically. Hence these cost saving measurements create a lot of problems.
They never fail, true, but there is always some special model capabilities that can only be made available after the usual weekend and late nights fine tuning.
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In all my years I have yet to see HDMI output from a laptop to a monitor work on the first try in Ubuntu. Always need to install the proprietary drivers for that to work at all. If it can't even do that without a headache, after 10+ years of Linux use, I would call that a Linux problem, not a hardware problem. My colleagues seem to run into the same issue frequently as well. This article seems kind of ignorant. I'm g…
What Laptop is this? I never had an issue with the external outputs on any laptop I owned (and I've been running Linux since the 90s). I also don't know anyone who had these issues. The main issues I had were typically docking stations and suspend (but that has been super stable for my last 3 laptops).
Anything with dual GPU configuration for example.
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Or just look up your "windows hardware" before you buy and check compatibility. Companies that sell laptops with preinstalled Linux are far more often than not just selling rebranded "windows hardware." The benefit is that you get a support number, and that they have paid attention to the Linux compatibility of the models in their range.
> Companies that sell laptops with preinstalled Linux are far more often than not just selling rebranded "windows hardware." What examples do you have of this?
Dell did that.