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Re: Who cares about diversity?

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If your concern is with tone, don't you think your concerns are in the wrong place?

Tone? No, my concerns are purely with the rubber-stamped form of the argument. It's as ineffective in this incarnation as it is in its other forms.

Hey, I tried replying yesterday but I hit some kind of posting limit.

My bad! I think I had hit reply to the wrong comment. I could have sworn there was something written about tone, but it must have been someone else. Sorry about that.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Point, not points. I don't believe any of us disagree that such programs are ineffective under optimal conditions. Aside from that, what are the "lots of" other sharp, critical comments to be made? I would think, given the over the top snark you had in your previous comments, you would have more to say on about on the topic. Right?

No, my goal here is just to point out how bad this blog post is, not to solve diversity. Unlike the author of the blog post, I don't think I'm capable of single-handedly solving diversity.

Sorry I didn't reply to this earlier, I hit a posting limit yesterday.

Thanks for the response. Honestly, I probably would have deleted the comment I had made, but you responded to it before I could remove it. Sorry about that.

I was annoyed because the topic is something I take very personally. I was being crappy and shouldn't have commented the way I did. Generally, I'm trying to get better about not leaving crappy comments when I'm in a bad mood, but I screwed up. I hope my comments didn't bum you out or anything.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Yep. The worries over "Am I just a diversity hire?" are a real concern. :( I really wish that applicants were required to give less information, not more. I don't want to know your name, or how old you are, or where you're from. I just want to know what your credentials are. Personally, I feel like criminal records, outside of specific work like working with weapons, children/elderly, or law enforcement, should not b…

I've found that the only controllable practices are to force our hr to send anonimized resumes to my interview team and to zealously challenge bias through panel review questions to interviewers. Our reviews can't detail things like "not a culture fit" or "is unqualified." there has to be a specific quantifiable reason for decline or hire. We've never had anyone openly discriminate because I don't sincerely believe p…

Man, that sounds like an incredible system! The company that I am working for currently is, frankly, desperate to keep people on staff and struggling to hire competent people to fill the roles we have open. I really can't see them going for anything of that caliber of hiring process any time soon, but I will absolutely keep that in mind.

And, yep, even though it's only your and my own opinion, it certainly seems like some form of mandated quota, initiative, etc. does seem to cause some level of damage, whether it be as bad, or worse, than the thing it's trying to defeat. It's not so much an outer thing, but an inner thing that gnaws at your confidence and ability.

I find the idea of offering some kind of special leverage to be demeaning in a way I can't quite express. To my ears, it comes off as, "We know that you can't win without our help, so we'll throw you a bone. Be grateful to us now." I get that's not the intention, but man, it's hard to even see how the outcome is all that different. I just want to see myself, and others succeed purely based on merit. On doing a good job. And if that means that a manager, "See's a lot of white faces in the office" then it ought not be seen as a problem, but instead - shocker - the companies workforce. To not see those workers as some metric. The idea of being counted out like grapes for some fruit salad...it's just crushing.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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What made you think all the focus was on university?

The potency of affirmative action is a really good example. You seem to be dismissing his points when they are actually quite on the money.

Asking how someone reached a conclusion is not dismissing their points. What is the potency of affirmative action? How is it a really good example?

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Hold on, that's a misquote. "revenge driven justice" does quote me. "Against the rich" doesn't; you added it. That's a pretty big leap away from my point. Do you believe that is "anybody who isn't rich?"

It's an analogy: you said that DEI supporters want to "discriminate actively against races/genders/orientations that haven't been discriminated against in the same way." (Let's call this "reverse discrimination" just for brevity) I figured if you can understand that "alms for the poor" isn't an example of "reverse discrimination", then you can also understand that there are also ways to support historically-discrimin…

>I figured if you can understand that "alms for the poor" isn't an example of "reverse discrimination"

This is comparing apples to oranges. Alms for the poor is a personal choice: I decide to give some of my own money to someone who I think needs it more than I do.

"Reverse discrimination" in the sense you're using it refers (within this analogy) to somebody else taking your money away from you, because they believe that somebody needs it more than you do. I could write a book (others already have) about how many things can and always do go wrong with this approach.

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