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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by decidertm »

fomine3 wrote: post #494
decidertm wrote: post #62

The public roadmap is a good idea but highlights how stale the product has become. https://github.com/heroku/roadmap/issues Only now researching adding Cloud Native Build Packs and HTTP2. This will reaffirm for many the sense that Heroku is being dismantled from within. Feature sunsetting and removal of a free on-ramp doesn't help. If you're looking for a production alternative to Heroku checkout Northflank. https://…

Where can I check what regions are available?

https://northflank.com/docs/v1/application/run/deploy-to-a-r...

Currently we support US Central, and Europe West. Which other region would you like to see added?

With BYOC (Bring your own Cloud) you can deploy in GKE, EKS and soon AKS in your chosen region.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by decidertm »

btown wrote: post #239
tdjsnelling wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that the Heroku developer experience has been second to none. I'm a front-end & DX engineer at Northflank and we're working hard to evolve and create a next-gen iteration of the Heroku experience anchored around 12 Factor Applications in a Kubernetes/cloud native era. We're getting very close, come and see for yourself: https://northflank.com . Some key features: * As simple as `git push` to build & deploy se…

> preview workflows This please, a thousand times! We're in the midst of a complex transition from Heroku, where we relied heavily on Review Apps for getting stakeholder feedback and QA'ing complex data model changes, to a k8s-on-EKS setup where we have a Helm chart that can duplicate our normal deploy in isolated namespaces for previewing new feature branches based on Github Actions. Our data cloning and routing nee…

Yes, agreed with the need for improved preview workflows. For current GitOps offerings, you need a YAML degree to implement at any reasonable scale.

We currently have several customers using our API + Typescript client to provision preview environments. Create temporary databases, spawn container builds, spawn job to import dump, run migrations, deploy x micro-services, run QA and finally spin down.

The perfect situation is where the preview environments are roughly aligned with staging and production workflows. So you don't need to maintain two different systems.

Our first iteration of GitOps and template driven IaC is releasing soon. I would love to discuss your situation and how we can improve our offering. email: will at northflank.com.

(Northflank co-founder)

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by the_lucifer »

joshstrange wrote: post #96
countspongebob wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are not shutting it down. As I said in the blog, our priority is making sure that Heroku choice is a good business decision for critical apps of all sizes. This does have tradeoffs, but getting the rug pulled out is not one of them - the opposite.

Ok, let's see how well this comment ages. I predict in 5-10 years max we will get an "Our incredibly journey" post or a "Heroku is now Salesforce Cloud" (if that name isn't already taken, I have no clue, "Safeforce" is an immediate "avoid! red flag!" for me, I don't follow that company). Heroku was amazing when it first came out but it squandered the lead it had and hasn't done anything interesting for a long time. A…

> developers with apps on the free tier

I'm a grad student who used to use Heroku a lot during undergrad (multiple university projects, used to be my first place to deploy stuff). Just deleted all my apps and removed my credit card, never gonna touch Heroku again with a 10 foot pole.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by tech_tuna »

toyg wrote: post #266
copperx wrote: post #220

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Probably free plans have tons of overhead. If this results in drastically lower prices, I'm all for it.

It won't. It's a typical move from a business stuck in a death spiral, desperately searching for profits by blindly slashing expenses.

Heroku is a dying platform. It's a good time to get started on a migration plan.

I have friends who argue that Salesforce has neglected Heroku for a while so this shouldn't be much of a surprise to anyone now.

I haven't used Heroku too much myself.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by zoomzoom »

ignoramous wrote: post #436
craigkerstiens wrote: post #17

This is a sad day. Pricing changes are always hard, and having been through some of the earlier pricing changes at Heroku you can't make everyone happy. But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Without it I'm confident we'd have less developers in the world. It is still one of the gold standards for developer experience. Years after its heyday companies and to…

> But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Heroku was a product for its time. These days, I see most students use replit.com (in India, at least), including as part of course curricula at universities (paid plans). I'd say replit has since replaced heroku as the getting started tool of choice. As for heroku, there are many NewCloud companies waiting to pounce:…

Yes! The integration of the development environment back into the platform (Heroku actually did this in their very first product as well) is what makes replit so magical, in my view.

At Coherence (withcoherence.com) we are looking to go beyond the NewCloud companies you mention here (which are all awesome), to provide the same kind of integrated experience with Cloud IDE, CI, and Deployment all in one configuration, but running in your own cloud account using managed services. (Disclosure // cofounder)

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by paulcarroty »

iends wrote: post #11
cmg wrote: post #3

> Starting October 26, 2022, we will begin deleting inactive accounts and associated storage for accounts that have been inactive for over a year. Starting November 28, 2022, we plan to stop offering free product plans and plan to start shutting down free dynos and data services. We will be sending out a series of email communications to affected users. Sad to see this, but not surprised after the Salesforce purchase…

Haven't used them personally, but https://render.com/ has been highly recommended here.

Good UI with great stats, but stopped using after few days 'cause the builds are painfully slow.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by korostelevm »

csjh wrote: post #333
kretaceous wrote: post #63

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I relate to this. > We appreciate Heroku’s legacy as a learning platform. Many students have their first experience with deploying an application into the wild on Heroku. I'm one of those students. It's good that they will open up something free for students but I suspect it'll never be the same as just signing up and git push heroku master.

Render has pretty good free tier benefits, but no git push render master

Check out https://www.cyclic.sh/

Serious free tier, git push, serverless express.js plus AWS databases.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by rsavage »

Same boat as many others. We spend $5000 a month on Heroku. We run production apps and then over 150 review apps at once.

We are using paid dynos but free tier redis and Postgres. With literally a couple entires in redis and a few hundred rows in Postgres.

This is going to massively increase the bills for review apps - with 0 positives and no alternatives.

The hacks, the downtimes, the communication, the support, lack of security features, no innovation.

What exactly is heroku offering these days other than - it will cost you money to move? I can’t imagine any serious business moving to Heroku these days.

You are pushing away everyone you have left.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

SomeCallMeTim wrote: post #465
gkoberger wrote: post #177

We pay Heroku many, many tens of thousands of dollars a year. And I still use free dynos, both personally and at work. For example, throwing up a quick app for testing (where I'm happy with dynos that sleep or are limited per-repo). By pushing us off the Heroku ecosystem for some stuff, we might as well just move everything. The only reason we even use Heroku now is because I used it for free over a decade ago. I get…

When I looked at Heroku pricing way back when, I immediately had a "WOW that's expensive" reaction. I look at it now, and...well, I'm all-in on k8s for most things, and cloud functions for most everything else, so I'm really not sure what the advantage of using Heroku would ever be if it they don't have a free plan. For free databases there are multiple options like CockroachDB and Supabase; throw up a $6/month dropl…

I agree that paid options of heroku hasn't been competitive for a long time. But removing the free, hobby tier suddenly makes hundreds of programming tutorials outdated which affects students and job seekers, I highly doubt that the students from obscure schools from around the world would be covered by the to-be announced education program and these are the groups who cannot spend any money.

Fortunately there are great alternatives[1] for PaaS and for those who can manage the server there's Oracle Cloud free-tier which offers 24GB RAM 4 Core ARM Server which can be used as single machine or split into 4 VMs and 2 x86 1GB RAM 2 Core VMs with 200 GB Block Volume in total. But Oracle Cloud free-tier has lots of quirks and often requires a script[2] to provision the machines(Due to demand).

[1] https://startuptoolchain.com/#cloud (Disclosure: My curated list of startup tools).

[2] https://abishekmuthian.com/oracle-cloud-free-tier-quirks/ (Disclosure: My blog where I've detailed Oracle Cloud free-tier quirks with solutions).

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