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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by rnk »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #82
mulmen wrote: post #29

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Puritans. We “banned” alcohol for 13 years. America’s greatest battle is with our dark religious past. We claim to be secular but really it’s an aspiration.

I'm an atheist, and I intensely disagree with the sexualisation of everything in our society dressed as a new sexual revolution, and see it as a direct effect of capitalism. What say you

You can be an atheist and still be a prude. Having one supposed non-religious orientation or belief doesn't mean you are emancipated in other views.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by Siira »

melony wrote: post #519
elif wrote: post #385

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in japan, children play a game called Kancho, where they put their index fingers together and try to insert it into the anus of their unsuspecting friend. in america, you could destroy someone's life over that. (possibly even multiple lives)

My japanophile colleague called it the "Konoha One Thousand Years of Death", apparently it's from a ninja TV show.

It’s from the anime Naruto.

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Post by nilleo »

This might be the final push I needed to migrate off of Google services. It's been all too convenient to have a one stop shop for everything, but I couldn't imagine my rage if I lost all of my child's pictures because Google decided that the picture of their first bath (no genitals or face in frame) was too risky.

What's recommended for a domain registrar to move my domains over to?

I figure I can probably self-host photo/file backups, move 2FA to Bitwarden, and migrate mail over to a paid Protonmail plan, but who can I trust for domain names? Mostly just for email aliases, but a couple for some hobby websites. GoDaddy can take a hike, and I've used namecheap before but what other options are good/trusted?

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by makach »

boredemployee wrote: post #484
makach wrote: post #196

It is beyond me that someone would use email to submit sensitive information. Pandemic aside, you should know better. Also, I am sorry this happened. It is very human to respond to a person in authority - but we need to be better and start asking questions. It is our privacy at stake. Hopefully everyone learns from this; Also, Google was doing the right things.

Trying to understand why did u get so downvoted.

How can you tell? Maybe I wasn’t clear enough when trying to communicate my viewpoint?

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Post by mrexroad »

DonHopkins wrote: post #138
mulmen wrote: post #130

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Please tell me there is a pseudo-logical-fallacy for inadvertently invoking a Seinfeld plot.

Seinfeld Effect: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/seinfeld-effect >The Seinfeld Effect is a phenomenon closely related to the Family Guy Effect (the idea that when a meme is referenced on a popular television show, it dies out). The Seinfeld Effect occurs when a TV show references an in-joke belonging to a subculture (in most modern cases, the Internet) and makes it mainstream, causing the show's viewership to mistaken…

Thanks. I was wondering if there was a name for this after my teenage kids were rather underwhelmed by the first Matrix film the other night—especially the Bullet Time sequences.

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Post by greendestiny_re »

hedora wrote: post #447
greendestiny_re wrote: post #292

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Why don't you petition the government for a redress of grievances and oust them? It's an unlimited right guaranteed by the First Amendment that can remove tyrants without causing harm.

So, according to the first amendment I can just taze the supreme court, and roll back citizens united, and reinstate roe v wade? That's as batshit crazy as recent assertions that nothing the courts rule can be sexist; after all, women would just run for seats on the supreme court if they cared; they're a majority of the population, after all. Since the nonsense in the last paragraph actually came from a recent suprem…

I didn't say that.

According to the First Amendment, you have a conceptually unlimited right to write petitions (complaints). Practically, it is limited by the absence of violence during assembly.

There's surprisingly few rulings on the right to petition.

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Post by azinman2 »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #527

The real problem here is companies are not cops and should quit acting like cops. The instant a company has evidence of a possible crime being committed they should be required to hand the evidence over to the police and then take no other action other than preventing distributing it or the like. This is not just Google's AI goofing up on what constitutes CSAM (and it sounds like given the witch hunt about such thing…

They may not be cops but they’ve created an enabling technology. They’re also the only ones who could access the data and recognize its potential for abuse. It’s not an easy situation.

But clearly if they’re referring out to law enforcement, they need to close the loop on that and take responsibility when they get it wrong.

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Post by MikePlacid »

pessimizer wrote: post #487
adventured wrote: post #456

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And many normal cultural things in the US would be regarded as an egregious offense in Japan (which has a very rigid, conservative, homogenous culture). So what.

Do you have an example, or are you just saying this? edit: there's honestly never an excuse not to do an existence proof. All you have to do is cite one thing.

I can give one example. In US it is absolutely normal to arrive to the conference room, sit at the table and wait for a boss to come. In Japan to sit at the table before the boss arrives and sits would be an offense - I was actually advised to stand up and wait for the boss standing as all others did.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

hulitu wrote: post #391
jongjong wrote: post #315

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Haha yeah, in Europe there are often naked children running around at the beach. In Germany, there are places (especially lakes) where everyone is walking around, swimming and sunbathing naked - Sometimes the whole family. For me it was quite a shock initially but now I think it's fine.

People naked: ok. Pictures: nok.

I often did run around completely naked at beaches. I don't do this anymore because now everyone has a smartphone and much more people take pictures now.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #206

Reporting the images to law enforcement is good. There should be a human in the loop to separate medical images from exploitative ones. Perma-deleting his account on an automated accusation is bad. That should hinge on, at minimum, law enforcement's decision to charge a crime. [Edit: unless the criminality of the images is obvious - again, a human needs to be in the loop.]

> There should be a human in the loop to separate medical images from exploitative ones.

No, there really should not. I would not want a facebook employee to look at my pictures. I don't use their services, but the thought is pretty off-putting. The idea that these companies have to police content is what is wrong.

There are other ways to get to offenders here. An environment that takes good care of kids will spot it. Not some poor fella that needs to look at private images.

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