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Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by opan »

bogwog wrote: post #230
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #89

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Just get a Thinkpad. They have all the features you want. They're not going to be as thing and light, but their keyboards are better than anything out there. The touchpad is iffy, but if you're using Linux (I use it too), your touchpad experience is going to be subpar anyway.

I used to love Thinkpads until I started using laptops with displays that aren't dog shit. I can adapt to a bad keyboard, lack of trackpoint and bad touchpad, but a bad screen will always bother me.

On the T440p you can swap in a screen from a Razer Blade. There are probably similar things you can do to other models.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by sudosysgen »

happyopossum wrote: post #493
sudosysgen wrote: post #472

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You should compare them to the ultra premium category. These devices aren't competing with the massive majority of cheap androids. Given that Samsung sold around 20-25 million S21s, it is absolutely a massive hit.

Apple sold 240M iPhones in 2021 - 15x as many as the 'massive hit' of foldables... I think you're living in a bit of a bubble if you think they're that popular.

Again, not comparable. You're comparing two models against an entire company. It's really Android vs iPhone, and in the Android world those numbers mainly in one model is a massive success.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by sudosysgen »

happyopossum wrote: post #489
sudosysgen wrote: post #471

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And considerably worse in every way, especially compared to modern OLEDs and high refresh rate LCDs.

You clearly haven't seen a modern iPad Pro screen if you think it's inferior 'in every way' to other portable monitors. 120Hz refresh, super high pixel density, amazing color replication, I could go on. they're beautiful. What high-refresh rate OLED travel monitors are you comparing it to?

My girlfriend has one. I use it very often!

Have you tried using it as an external monitor? It can't even hit 60fps reliably, and there is noticeable lag and compression. As an external monitor, it really sucks.

As a monitor of a machine into its own, at 12.9", I'm comparing it to the OLEDs in the new Vivobooks, which have even higher pixel density, better contrast, very comparable colors, and inherently better motion performance.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by sudosysgen »

Terretta wrote: post #488
sudosysgen wrote: post #471

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And considerably worse in every way, especially compared to modern OLEDs and high refresh rate LCDs.

Which is considerably worse, the monitor or the iPad? Comparing this: 12.9” mini-LED Liquid Retina XDR display 2732x2048 resolution at 264 pixels per inch (ppi) 2D backlighting system with 2596 full‑array local dimming zones 120 Hz refresh ProMotion technology Wide color display (P3) True Tone display Multi‑Touch input Apple Pencil input w/ pressure and tilt sensitivity Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating Fully…

Have you ever used an iPad Pro with Sidecar - ie, as an external moniyor? I have! You're going to be compromising heavily. Bye bye to 120hz, you're going to be struggling to hit 60hz sometimes. Hello to video compression, so all those pixels are going to be far from what they can actually do.

Any real external monitor is, I'm sorry to tell you, going to blow it out of the water in image quality, and it's not even close. Especially if there is any movement or if you're going to be pushing more frames. It's just the name of the game.

It's real competition isn't external displays, because it really can't compete there. It's laptops with pen support. And it can't compete against those either. Believe me, I tried to make it work, it just can't.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by ajot »

What I wonder is: how a screen that's supposed to be put indistinctly "vertically" or "horizontally" refreshes the image?

I remember the Dragonbox Pyra having some trouble because the cellphone/portrait screens they could get didn't have a way to refresh normally when put in a handheld/landscape orientation, and the shim software they made to adapt for this caused a penalty in performance.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by fragmede »

darkteflon wrote: post #525
lostlogin wrote: post #404

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Was that an Intel toaster or an Apple one? I think the Apple ones don’t get so hot.

The Apple Silicon models can handle it just fine for desktop use. It’s when you’re using Blender or Unreal or whatever that it becomes an issue.

Except they only handle one external display.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by nathanasmith »

bogwog wrote: post #230
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #89

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Just get a Thinkpad. They have all the features you want. They're not going to be as thing and light, but their keyboards are better than anything out there. The touchpad is iffy, but if you're using Linux (I use it too), your touchpad experience is going to be subpar anyway.

I used to love Thinkpads until I started using laptops with displays that aren't dog shit. I can adapt to a bad keyboard, lack of trackpoint and bad touchpad, but a bad screen will always bother me.

I ordered a 1080p screen and controller from Aliexpress for my trusty old Lenovo T420. Installed in about 30 minutes and worked perfectly. The difference in image quality versus the original crap panel is huge.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by [deleted] »

eldaisfish wrote: post #234
fuckmeyes wrote: post #200

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They are shit in RMA but as is every other company, most service centres are outsourced. I remember I just need a droid to remove the cmos battery from my zenbook to fix some weird power on race condition that prevented the whole thing from switching on - I didn’t have the silly screwdrivers - yet they wanted to rma it for two weeks - had to literally scream down the shop unrefined - losing face - until they relented…

Not every other company. Apple - to name one - are often simply excellent at this because they understand the power of customer satisfaction. There are numerous stories of apple replacing failed hardware with equivalent, newer models - phones and laptops alike. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms one can make of Apple but customer satisfaction under warranty is not one of them.

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Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by fomine3 »

bogwog wrote: post #241
jeroenhd wrote: post #202

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Sadly, Qualcom's performance is still laughable compared to Apple's M1. You can get a Macbook air for around the same price that runs twice as fast (and probably has better speakers). If you intend to run Windows, you'll also run into slower x64 applications more often than with a Mac. I'm really not sure what the advantage would be for picking a Qualcom processor over getting an i3 or lower end AMD APU. Someone real…

> Someone really needs to step up ARM processor design because no matter how much I detest Apple's business practices, I can't deny that their ARM chip is far superior to the rest of the market Never going to happen unless regulators do something about Qualcomm's monopoly. Apple is pretty much the only company with the resources to fight them, yet they still can't get away from Qualcomm parts even in their latest iPh…

Qualcomm acquired Nuvia, hope they release good cores.
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