FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

Post by aaomidi » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 2:09 PM UTC

sudosysgen wrote: post #476

jmyeet wrote: post #359

As much as the US government does questionable and bad things (and it does), the CCP is worse. The US still has at least the semblance of the rule of law. There is still some separation between corporations and the government. Corporations in China are extensions of the state and tools of foreign policy in a way they just aren't in the West. The US government can also be replaced. That's why China and the US just are…

The US has no rule of law for national security consideration in other countries. As a non US citizen the US government in practice has no due process consideration if they wish to spy on you, torture you, or kill you. Corporations are an extension of the state in this process, as we have learned thanks to Edward Snowden. They have no choice but to facilitate the use of state power on foreign nationals. As a non-Amer…

Post by ChrisLomont » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 2:10 PM UTC

olalonde wrote: post #484

ChrisLomont wrote: post #239

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> The USA ranks 26th for median wealth Wealth is also a function of age - older people tend to have more - and that ranking is not normalized by such extraneous factors. The US is number 2 by median income, and number 1 for median disposable income, both of which are pretty important, especially to younger people that want cash flow to enjoy life.

That metric probably doesn't factor in cost of living, cost of education, cost of healthcare, etc. The US isn't particularly young. But regardless, I didn't mean that the US was not a good place to live. It does extremely well on most metrics. My point was that there are many countries, including ones that are tiny in comparison (definitely not "top dog"), that enjoy comparable standards of living. The US could retai…

Post by ChrisLomont » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 2:11 PM UTC

coliveira wrote: post #490

dgb23 wrote: post #328

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Number 1 for disposable income sounds off. Are daycare, tuitions, healthcare, public transport, rent/mortgages etc. factored in?

All these statistics suffer from the inequality in the US. I guess that if you take total disposable income the number 1 is correct. But if you go look at the reality, it is a minority that controls that total disposable income, while most of the population lives paycheck to paycheck and increasingly don't have money even to buy food.

Post by mbg721 » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 2:12 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #462

mbg721 wrote: post #456

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It's less true in the modern world, but traditionally, "The US" doesn't run any kind of business. It's like the anecdote where Gorbachev saw a supermarket and asked which government official was in charge of making sure it was stocked.

The US runs hardly any businesses… and yet it clearly matters to China if the business is Chinese regarding if you get to run a social media company locally… It still matters.

Post by cochne » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 2:13 PM UTC

thiagoharry wrote: post #518

tablespoon wrote: post #474

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> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

> The differentiator here is national security, Which means that all countries other than the US also should be banning Facebook, and most US companies. As Snowden showed, most of them have a history of wire fraud.