EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

Post by dingleberry420 » Tue, Jul 05, 2022, 8:54 PM UTC

hyperpape wrote: post #175

There's several very good provisions in this legislation (3rd party payment processors, non-preferential treatment for 1st party apps), there are several that have a mix of upsides and downsides (sideloading is one--I personally like knowing that Facebook can't ask people to sideload some privacy destroying crap on iOS). Then there's: - Allow developers to integrate their apps and digital services directly with those…

Post by pavlov » Tue, Jul 05, 2022, 8:57 PM UTC

stjohnswarts wrote: post #404

krzyk wrote: post #387

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All that already exists on Android and the negatives didn't happen (with modern android versions), on the contrary. My phone supports multiple payment vendors using nfc. I can have Tasker do magic with my phone etc.

And that's great! but why force apple to do it when it doesn't have a monopoly status in the phone market?

Post by MBCook » Tue, Jul 05, 2022, 9:02 PM UTC

enragedcacti wrote: post #362

Retric wrote: post #329

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Apple makes peanuts from the App Store relative to phone sales. After they upped the cut for developers to between 70% and 85% and CC companies still get their cut, add customer service and app reviews and it simply isn’t that profitable. What they benefit from is selling 1,000$ phones at a 30+% profit margin, because for the average consumer they simply work better. Which actually aligns incentives between customers…

Apple's App store revenue is very substantial and likely has very low overall costs and microscopic per-unit costs relative to a hardware business like iPhone or Mac. Apple paid out $45 billion to developers in 2020 with $64 billion gross, which means they had as high as $19 billion in revenue from the app store commission alone.[1] Unfortunately Apple doesn't break out profit per category but we know that their net…

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 05, 2022, 9:05 PM UTC

stale2002 wrote: post #440

cafed00d wrote: post #231

I hope Apple turns Xcode features into a tiered pricing model to counter balance and keep developers in check. 1. Want to use the swift compiler? Pay $5000 per year per user (pretty competitively priced if you compare it to the MATLAB Compiler) 2. Want to click any of the “Services” buttons to enable “Siri” etc in your app? $100 per user per year 3. Want to log and instrument your iOS app in production? $1000 per dev…

> Institutionalized 3p developers should be treated like adversaries The weird part about your statement here, is that you bring up a statement about 3rd party developers doing bad things, and yet the solutions you gave do nothing except for take extra money from those 3rd parties and gives that money to Apple. If you actually cared about stopping all these bad actions, why didn't you suggest an action that gives App…

Post by saiya-jin » Tue, Jul 05, 2022, 9:06 PM UTC

colinmhayes wrote: post #498

cycomanic wrote: post #273

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Can we stop pretending that Apple has the users best interest in mind? They just want to be the gatekeeper for lucrative applications/functions so they can charge for it. That they somehow convinced apple users that it's somehow in their interest just shows how good their marketing is.

That’s not what people are saying though. Whether or not apple cares about its users is completely irrelevant. The question is whether apples incentives align with its users better than other tech companies. The answer pretty clearly seems to be yes, apple makes most of its money by selling hardware, their incentive is to make a product people enjoy. Competitors make most of their money selling ads, their incentive i…