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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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I know a cannabis entrepreneur who makes high-quality gummies standardized to 150 mg THC which is, I think, too much. As a cannabis experienced user I find these make me feel hosed for six hours or so. It may or may not be a good time, but I'm certainly not going to do more than lay on my ass. If I take half of one of those (75 mg) it is a strong intoxication, pretty consistently a good time, and I can go for a walk,…

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This is an old 4% strength THC I-used-to-be-a-stoner argument that is completely irrelevant to the "real" dangers (multiple) to teenagers, which include: concentrated THC in teenagers causes psychosis; moderate THC in teenagers makes them permanently less intelligent. THC users like to downplay them.

> This is an old 4% strength THC I-used-to-be-a-stoner argument that is completely irrelevant to the "real" dangers (multiple) to teenagers, which include: concentrated THC in teenagers causes psychosis; moderate THC in teenagers makes them permanently less intelligent. >THC users like to downplay them. What would you have us do then? There are minimum legal ages for using legal cannabis as well as alcohol and tobacc…

I heard you say "we need to regulate cannabis more effectively." I think that makes sense.

I also think we better get used to the consequences of an increasingly psychotic teen population.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Just adding to the pile of warnings...

About 20 years ago, in the Netherlands, two people from my small town. Both were heavy users. They would visit a coffee shop (our term for a weed shop) twice a day and stay for some 2 hours or longer each time.

Dutch weed was already known to be strong back then, but I have no idea how strong. Probably still less strong compared to what is described in the article. I would estimate they smoked up to 4 full joints each day.

Both developed a psychosis.

One would start random fights with people. I saw him get arrested and in the police car kept bumping his own head to the door with full force. He lost his job and ultimately ended up in a mental facility. He had regular paranoia attacks about being followed and being hacked, and would ask random people to check his phone. He's been bouncing between the mental facility, the police and back again ever since. Already at the age of 25, he was a lost cause, as he had ruined every single aspect of his life. The truly sad part is that life goes on in this miserable state probably for several decades.

As for prior conditions: I had known him for a long while before his detour. Had a steady job, full of life energy, never any aggression, no criminal record, clean as can be.

The other guy started to attend the same prostitute, daily, whom he actually believed to be Madonna. The vast majority of his time though he spent driving between two specific dutch cities as a way to discharge excess electricity he believed to be in his car.

I once was in his home where he picked up one of his mom's books. It was a cheesy doctor romance story. He starts reading out loud from the book but rather than literally reading the text, somehow this text got warped and transformed into his mind, and the output was some bizarre prophecy. As if he was effortlessly producing a brand new Bible on the spot. One of the strangest things I've ever seen anyone do.

I don't know what happened to him, we lost touch.

So yes, getting "sick" doesn't even begin to describe what weed can do when not taking care of dosage.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Why not? My first job was Wendy's and honestly... It's not the least satisfying job I've had. My unwillingness to do it now has more to do with having become accustomed to the luxury that comes with a software developer salary than anything negative about fast food (same reason I won't go back to being a security guard, which was hands down the best job I ever had). I feel like there's a strong argument to be made th…

What did you enjoy about being a security guard?

A bit of context that might be important: Most of my time spent as a security guard was spent either taking the closing shift at an outlet mall on the outskirts of town, or a night or weekend shift at a large office building. I rarely did things like work at a busy mall during the day.

The best part frankly was that there was so little I actually needed to do. I filled out a few forms, I walked the whole site X times of Y period (usually once every 1-2 hours, but depended on the site). Beyond that I was largely just expected to be at my post, reasonably alert and professional looking. My time was my own to do homework, study, read, program, or whatever. I realize that a job without anything to do is a nightmare for some people, but I've never had a problem filling my own time.

Other pros:

* I knew my regular sites almost like my home. Sure during they day there were tons of people, but by the night/weekend when I took over, I was basically the only person in the building and it felt like it was mine.

* Eating lunch on the roof overlooking the city.

* Some of the chillest co-workers I've ever met, from the maintenance crew to the other guards.

* 12-hours shifts meant I was usually only working 3 days a week.

* On holidays me and the maintenance guy would have private movie showings in the building auditorium.

Cons:

* 99% boring, but when things get exciting they get real exciting. Only time I've had guns pointed in my direction, and they were cops.

* I think getting off work and going to bed a 7 a.m. for years has permanently kind of borked my sleep.

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Yeah.... I don't smoke every day, so that may be the reason you didn't get my point, anyway I'd bet a lot of money that the "some users" are exactly what I talked about. I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I am clearly not one of them. I, too, start showing symptoms of hyperemesis if I'm being stupid and smoke way too much, and I have never met or smoked with anyone who was resistant to it and had unl…

The hyperemesis described is not an acute OD-like effect, but happens to some chronic users. It wanes when cannabis use ceases. Very hot baths and showers help suppressing the nausea.

hyperemesis can occur acutely. source: myself as a dumb teenager, as well as several friends

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Counter point: I am 37 years old. I quit marijuana three or four months ago, but before that I was vaping marijuana nearly every day for four years. During that time I’ve achieved more success in my career than any other time. I think it was good for me to quit. I feel more alert and more productive now. More level and less tired. Maybe I would have been more successful without it, so perhaps you are right. But then,…

I would guess there are people who do cocaine every day without trouble. That doesn't mean everyone should do drugs. Most people can't handle it.

Well I certainly wouldn’t take the position that everyone should do drugs! I guess I’m just pushing back against the idea that marijuana use automatically means your life will be worse. I think this depends on your personality, use habits, and level of self control.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I did most and best creative programming under influence, it also made me suicidal. I have stopped completely. Do i miss it, yes. Will i get back to it, i doubt it but its hard.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

I had a friend who was a heavy pot smoker, and was insistent that there were no health affects. I asked him: "What about motivation?"

He said: "OK, motivation."

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> I'd be proud of it, if they were a good person, took care of themselves I honestly don't know how anyone (good person or not) can properly take care of themselves on a Taco Bell hourly salary.

Yes, It is the workers fault that they do not get enough funds to properly take care of themselves while working full time. Really dumb take.

It is possible that some jobs are meant to be stepping stones, not permanent positions (ie: you outgrow them, and someone lower on the learning totem pole steps into the role for a time).

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not sure what stereotype you have in mind but I don't see why this should be something keeping a parent from being proud. it's simple, yet honest work and that's about it. so what? not everybody wants or has to be a surgeon ffs

But taco bell is the pinnacle of your kid's career ambition? I know as a parent I'd be very disappointed.

Not a parent, but I’d personally be more proud as a parent of a Taco Bell cook than, e.g. adtech or a high frequency trading firm (of course, sometimes these places are great for training or getting a name on a resume, but if that was my child’s career ambition I’d be sad). The only issue I would have would be whether they’re making enough to support their other goals.
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