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It definitely is.
Is gas preferred over charcoal? I've no clue about what you are talking about but I figure charcoal would have been the oldest cooking method anywhere. Gas has no flavour or soul compared to charcoal cooking.
Seems like a lot of the interest in these bans is coming from new research like this [Stanford study]( https://news.stanford.edu/2022/01/27/rethinking-cooking-gas/ ) showing gas stoves emit more methane than previously thought. They say all residential stoves in the US emit GHG equivalent to 500,000 cars. There are 276 million cars in the US. So, this problem is about 1/500 of the car problem. If you eliminated all s…
When you add in gas water heaters, heating, etc. then gas becomes a more significant contributor to GHG. Whereas switching all of those with heatpumps and induction cuts off the gas lobby from fucking with everyone.
Best way to get gas lobby to stop winning? Get rid of gas stoves. Climate Town has a good video on this subject. https://youtu.be/hX2aZUav-54
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> I like having a gas water heater, although I understand there are more expensive electric units that end up being more efficient, and that is appealing. Oh for sure - for heating the house and water, I prefer gas. At least where I live it's more cost effective than electric. In fact, my electric bill in my 1 bedroom apartment (all heating was electric) was just a tad lower than my gas + electric when I moved into a…
> I prefer gas. At least where I live it's more cost effective than electric. In fact, my electric bill in my 1 bedroom apartment (all heating was electric) was just a tad lower than my gas + electric when I moved into a much bigger house. Doesn't this prove the opposite of your point that gas is more cost-effective than electricity? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but the last sentence seems to illustrate that electri…
I never made that point.
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Pretty much every argument I have read in this post boils down to "electric is better" but crucially ignores a) the idea that preferences are individual, and b) even accepting something as universally "better" doesn't mean we ought to legislate it across an entire group of people (AKA centrally plan the economy).
Electric pollutes less. Electric induction has a faster response. Electric is more energy efficient. Electric doesn't require a separate line and utility run to the house. Electric boils water faster. Electric produces less greenhouse gasses. I mean, there's subjectively better ("I prefer to cook with it") but there are objectively better traits too.
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Electric pollutes less. Electric induction has a faster response. Electric is more energy efficient. Electric doesn't require a separate line and utility run to the house. Electric boils water faster. Electric produces less greenhouse gasses. I mean, there's subjectively better ("I prefer to cook with it") but there are objectively better traits too.
Imagine if someone told you you had to marry someone other than your wife, because your wife’s genes are more likely to produce disabled offspring that would place a great burden on the social safety net.
Oh wait, were you trying to say that forced divorce and remarriage is the same thing as "this other type of cooking tool should be used instead of the one you are familiar with"?
Hahahaha
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Electric pollutes less. Electric induction has a faster response. Electric is more energy efficient. Electric doesn't require a separate line and utility run to the house. Electric boils water faster. Electric produces less greenhouse gasses. I mean, there's subjectively better ("I prefer to cook with it") but there are objectively better traits too.
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My friend, I cook more and better than most.
Maybe you have no idea what an electric induction unit is? You sure you aren't thinking of the round red coils?
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Cracking the glass of a induction cooktop is still a problem. So I recommend carbon steel over cast iron for this purpose. They’re similar in that they both need to be seasoned. But carbon steel is much lighter and it’s smooth unlike most modern cast iron cookware.
Carbon steel deforms over heat. Also leaks oil through the pores. Or maybe I should have bought a more expensive pancake pan? Otherwise I like it; using both but I am extra careful with the cast iron.
What do you mean it leaks oil? I’ve never noticed any like that.
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One person’s “centrally planned economy” is another person’s “managing negative externalities” A lot of the “electric is better” posts have an implied “gas stoves are bad for people and the environment so we should get rid of them but it’s fine because electric is better anyway”.
Negative externalities would ideally just be handled through proportional taxation. Then market incentives work it out. Taxes are used to clean up the externalities.
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I don't think that this is relevant at all in the context of this discussion - electric cooking methods - particularly induction - are superior to gas in essentially every way, shape or form - barring the production of wok hei, which is why the article stresses that so much, while conveniently leaving out all the massive downsides of gas stoves. Gas stoves are also generally used by gas companies to get gas lines dra…
Everything you have written is wrong. Gas is very efficient. If you have the choice of burning gas at a power station (which is how a lot of electricity is generated now a days) and piping it directly into people's homes for the end goal of generating heat, piping wins every time. The inefficiencies of converting gas to electricity and transporting that electricity are significant and well known. Additionally, I don'…
I think most of your counterpoints have been entirely disproven by other posters, but I'll chip in a few more points
>Gas is very efficient. If you have the choice of burning gas at a power station (which is how a lot of electricity is generated now a days) and piping it directly into people's homes for the end goal of generating heat, piping wins every time. The inefficiencies of converting gas to electricity and transporting that electricity are significant and well nown.
This is only true for an energy mix using 100% gas, which is dumb, outdated and rapidly vanishing. Given the very small efficiency difference in gas -> stove to gas -> electricity -> induction, as soon as you have merely a few percentages of renewables, gas becomes the clear loser. The more of the grid we move to renewables, the more gas loses out, and the trend towards renewables is undeniable merely on the economics of it.
That's only covering the cooking-case. Heat pumps are several times more efficient than gas heating down to very low temperatures, I'm really not sure how you can be so wrong on the facts for that point.
>Additionally, I don't know how anyone who has cooked on gas and electric can claim electric is superior. I will grant that a very good electric (ie, induction) _might be superior to a very bad gas, but have used a lot of examples of each and would choose gas every time (and to demonstrate am not ideological about this, always prefer electric ovens over gas).
Whatever small preference people at large have for gas cooking is dwarfed entirely by the list pf drawbacks it has, and that's not even involving the environmental aspects - completely wrecking your indoor air quality is enough of a reason to disregard gas cooking as a technology entirely. Having to risk gas leaks is another aspect that is bafflingly dumb.
>Heat pumps are also a vastly overrated technology which only work for very well insulated houses with an HVAC system which keeps the rooms ventilated artificially.
You very clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
>l am big on electrification - I'm a Tesla shareholder. but the carbon benefits of electric heating over gas are minute. The Green agenda should avoid battles where the perceived detriment to people's quality of life vastly exceeds the provable environmental benefit.
'The Green agenda' - jesus christ.
Any imagined quality-of-life difference between gas cooking and induction is trivial nonsense.
Also, Tesla is not a climate solution, fwiw.
A large reason electric (restive and induction) are seen as inferior to gas is that portable units are limited to 120v/15a (few are 20a) so the total possible power is technically less than a gas stove; 2800w effective. However, gas stoves are very inefficient so in reality it's not a huge problem and 240v electric stoves could even be hotter (~4000w) than a gas stove. > Xie estimates that he pays around $500 to $700…
> A large reason electric (restive and induction) are seen as inferior to gas is that portable units are limited to 120v/15a (few are 20a) so the total possible power is technically less than a gas stove; 2800w effective. However, gas stoves are very inefficient so in reality it's not a huge problem and 240v electric stoves could even be hotter (~4000w) than a gas stove. Could a combination of induction heating and h…
The problem is the reliability of the system. The air going up the vent is incredibly oily. The oil in the air will gum up your heat pump or your HRV core or whatever you use. At a minimum, you destroy your efficiency. More likely, you destroy your equipment.