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Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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You should look into a Dell Latitude. Specifically, look for one with Intel Graphics (for better Linux compatibility and battery life). I'd personally go for a 74xx model. They work great with Linux, in my experience. They're also business-grade, so they have decent longevity and repair-ability, with easy to find parts.

https://www.mikekasberg.com/blog/2021/08/12/dell-latitudes-a...

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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>I don't think a lot of developers are buying macs due to marketing. I've never seen a developer with a macbook in my country. The idea sounds absurd. Unless you need Final Cut or whatever, Apple is considered a status brand in many parts of the world.

In where I live there's a ton of devs using macs. The idea sounds absurd, too. Even more absurd when you realize they're mostly developing stuff that will ultimately run on Linux.

All things being equal, yes it is absurd. In many countries were Macs aren't affordable, the amount of absurdity greatly increases.

In places where they are largely affordable for a developer, absurdity becomes relative to what you value in a development system.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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** "I don't want to use a Mac" ** "I've had these problems with Mac" Reasonable response: Cool, use what works for you. EDIT> Here are some suggestions that match your constraints. Annoying response 1: You should reconsider because Mac works great for me. Annoying response 2: Your problems aren't real problems. Annoying response 3: Let's live debug your problems in this thread to see if they're real problems. Guys. I…

> I mean, guys seriously.

But we're serious. OP has created their own nonsensical boundaries with these constraints. Essentially the title is completely misleading apart from the 2K number. If OP is looking specifically for a linux-compatible machine they should have at least mentioned that in the title. It's no suprise at all that these types of answers are in this thread.

I saw the title, came here to offer my thoughts about mac options, when I realize that actually "not allowed" by OP's request. It's click baity and almost feels like it was designed to get a rise out of the HN crowd.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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Why Mac seems to attract so fanatic behavior? They seem to want to push everyone to use Mac, like religious fanatics try to push everyone to their "truth". I think this is a result of some marketing tactics Apple employed for decades, and it only pushes me away from this brand.

> Why Mac seems to attract so fanatic behavior? The same reason console wars exist. If there are multiple choices, and it's not practical to take/use/buy all the options, people feel the need to justify the choice that they did make. When someone's starting from a defensive position, unemotional rationality is uncommon. AKA, it's human nature.

> AKA, it's human nature.

It's also a form of entertainment.

> unemotional rationality is uncommon

Tangentially, I'm not certain it even exists outside of sociopaths. A certain amount of emotion or beliefs underlies most rational arguments.

The problem is when emotional rationality devolves to either shallowness (i.e. fleeting trends) or fanaticism ("there is only one true option forever").

But shallowness and fanaticism are always present because they are both easier routes to self appeasement in a world that usually pushes people towards lower self concept.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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That is how I treat my new Framework with Windows: like a shitty DE to Linux. I run Arch (really Nix possessing the body of Arch since almost every package I use daily is a Nixpkg) on my personal laptop. I am enjoying seeing the other side of tooling. My Nix flake works without fuss inside WSL to instantiate my developer environment same as my Linux machine. VS Code Remote makes working inside WSL basically native (I…

If you could open some GitHub issues (or even just drop me a bullet point list here) of the issues you're facing with komorebi it would be appreciated!

Hey thanks for the attention, I think the project is awesome and when it works I feel right at home.

Two big issues I encountered today running 0.1.8 installed with Scoop on Windows 11 Education N:

1. The empty space around apps gets bigger as you move them to new workspaces not primary (this is with Komorebi's workspaces, not Windows' Virtual Desktops which you have indicated have poorly documented APIs). It seems to be this issue [1] but that issue was closed as fixed

2. Sometimes apps left empty spaces when they were minimized. That might have been VS Code or Spotify (or Slack?). Spotify when visible didn't resize appropriately.

All my user-installed apps if that is helpful:

- KeyPirinha

- Mochi

- PowerToys

- Slack

- Telegram Desktop

- TickTick

- Ubuntu on Windows

- VS Code

- Thunderbird

- Ditto

- Everything

- 1Password

[1] https://github.com/LGUG2Z/komorebi/issues/15

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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You can pick up a Lenovo P1 Gen 2 with decent specs for about 1000 to 1500 on ebay. Max ram is 64MB and usually comes with an i7. The battery life isnt great if it has a built in Nvidia quadro card, I get about 4 hours. I bought it to be able to do ML with it. My only regret is getting one with the nvidia card built in. I believe it gets about 8 hours without it. I ended up buying a RTX 3080 Aorus Gaming Box to do ML…

Yah, unless you absolutely need the discreet GPU, avoid it like the plague on the P1s. Mine cannot be fully disabled in the BIOS/etc, and its required to drive external displays. With Linux its hit/miss whether the machine works properly with any given linux distro nouveau vs the proprietary driver setup.

I'm in the situation where neither driver works 100%, and I just wish the laptop was wired correctly to just use the integrated GPU for everything like my older thinkpad. (AKA nouveau suspends/resumes properly, but can't seem to drive my monitors consistently, while the nvidia driver refuses to resume properly and breaks secure boot, etc).

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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post #480

Thinkpad T480s. Your search is over.

Lenovo, in their wisdom (penny pinching I guess), has been soldering either 4 or 8G of ram into the thinkpads for the last few years. This is one of the things that drove me away from them, because it seriously limits the amount of ram that can be installed (vs what is possible) and it messes up any kind of dimm striping one might want to run, as well as restricting you to the generally not great timings of the solde…

You can still install more RAM into a T480s as there is an open slot.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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** "I don't want to use a Mac" ** "I've had these problems with Mac" Reasonable response: Cool, use what works for you. EDIT> Here are some suggestions that match your constraints. Annoying response 1: You should reconsider because Mac works great for me. Annoying response 2: Your problems aren't real problems. Annoying response 3: Let's live debug your problems in this thread to see if they're real problems. Guys. I…

Why Mac seems to attract so fanatic behavior? They seem to want to push everyone to use Mac, like religious fanatics try to push everyone to their "truth". I think this is a result of some marketing tactics Apple employed for decades, and it only pushes me away from this brand.

These days I see way more people spouting the "omg mac users are fanatics!!!!" line than I see actual mac "fanatics". It got very stale years ago, honestly.

It's natural human behavior to talk about things we like in relevant contexts, but I really don't see much of it happening anywhere near the top of this comments section. Just ignore it and move on.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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Since you were seeking laptops I imagine you're fine with the computing power laptops usually offer. I recently purchased a ThinkPad E14 gen 3. It has a 6 core 12 thread Ryzen 5 5600U, with 24 GB of memory (8 GB soldered + 16 GB I installed later). I run Linux exclusively. No Windows or dual boot or anything like that. I currently run the latest Fedora 36 Beta. On this particular OS I have none of the usual Linux pro…

Sidebar: do you have an opinion about which ThinkPad series currently has the best material quality, disregarding weight as a factor of such quality?

I haven't used it extensively, but the X1 carbon impressed me.

Where I live the X1 carbon is crazy expensive though — even more expensive than well spruced Macbooks.

The newer M1 Macbooks have impressed me. Though I love Linux, I don't do anything that can only be done on Linux. Hence I hesitate to spend more than a Macbook money on a ThinkPad.

Re: Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?

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"Ultimately more powerful" As a previous BSD engineer please explain further, this entire thread is just horrendous and should be downvoted to oblivion. Nobody cares what laptop you decide to use, nor are you incapable of doing your own research. My grandmother calls me for laptop recommendations. My M1 Max 14" MBP has 64gb ram, mucho cores and is the fastest machine I've used. My gaming/dev desktop is a 12core ryzen…

I too have an M1 MBP and XPS 13. I pretty much always use the XPS. Side by side, there is no noticeable difference in speed for my everyday work. The MBP is more efficient for sure, but I get 8+ hours of battery from the XPS which is good enough - and I can run Linux without jumping through hoops. Edit: Missed the 'z', sorry, possibly explains different experiences.

8 hours is amazingly good for an XPS13 in my experience.

My XP13 9370 running Fedora lasts maybe 2 hours at a push. I'm actually considering moving back to a 14" MacBook Pro because of the battery life.

Rumours of an imminent M2 upgrade are about the only thing stopping me now.

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