YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

Post by noahtallen » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:52 AM UTC

fuckcensorship wrote: post #526

JoshTko wrote: post #524

The avg. American reads at a middle school level. Many read at an elementary school level, meaning ~1/4 of America will take this video as fact. Couple this with an algorithm that will only feed you things you like and you have a recipe for disaster. 100% unrestricted freedom of speech only works with a highly educated populate which America does not have.

Sounds like the solution is better education, not censorship.

Post by KennyBlanken » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:52 AM UTC

insickness wrote: post #206

jmyeet wrote: post #173

The self-serving, inconsistent, intellectually-dishonest take that some have when they can't parrot provably false nonsense that is a mere Google search away from being debunked is really obnoxious. I imagine many of these same people championed the rights of private businesses to decide who they did and didn't serve when it came to the infamous cakeshop [1] yet when Youtube or Twitter or Facebook makes exactly the s…

I imagine many of the same people who championed the rights of Youtube or Twitter or Facebook to censor whomever they want were the same people who lost their mind when it came to the infamous cakeshop. That sword cuts both ways. They would also lose their mind if the laws changed and companies could discriminate against whomever they want in hiring. But when those same companies want to censor a viewpoint, they're a…

Post by mulmen » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:53 AM UTC

Kranar wrote: post #521

mulmen wrote: post #511

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The First Amendment is always relevant to cases of free expression in the United States. It is what gives YouTube the right to control what is on their platform.

No it's not always relevant, in fact it's mostly a distraction that does nothing to contribute to the substance of the discussion. There is almost nothing of value to be gained by pointing out that Youtube is a private company that has the right to censor or serve any content it so chooses anymore than it's relevant to point out that a restaurant has the right serve shitty food and if you don't like it you can go to…

Post by a_shovel » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:54 AM UTC

cryptonector wrote: post #500

a_shovel wrote: post #425

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This argument would work equally well to support spreading neo-nazi propaganda material. Trite catchphrases are nothing to base a belief system around. An argument doesn't have to make logical sense for it to convince millions of people. Especially not if they like the conclusion.

That's Godwin's law territory. I remember being taught in the very liberal NY schools I went to that the ACLU defending the free speech rights of Nazis in Illinois was part of the deal in a free society, and in this case we're not even talking about Nazis. But I'll defend to the death your right to say ridiculous nonsense.

Post by dane-pgp » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:54 AM UTC

YATA0 wrote: post #276

dane-pgp wrote: post #197

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Even the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee agreed that Russian collusion was a real issue: > It is our conclusion, based on the facts detailed in the Committee's Report, that the Russian intelligence services' assault on the integrity of the 2016 U.S. electoral process[,] and Trump and his associates' participation in and enabling of this Russian activity, represents one of the single most grave counterint…

A couple of Facebook groups, memes, and Twitter posts by Russian trolls != collusion. The left was screaming about Trump directly colluding with the Russians. When the facts came out and it was clear he didn't collude, the goal posts shifted to "well the Russian troll farms helped Trump win!" That's not collusion.