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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by itsamoreh »

harryf wrote: post #433
jsjsbdkj wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians re-elected Trudeau during the pandemic. The issue is that Ottawa Police were afraid of media backlash if they did any crowd control for the initial "protest" weekend. This allowed the occupiers to move in heavy machinery as barricades. When the weekend ended an…

> It has terrorized women, queer people and people of color on the streets. Seriously? This smells like an attempt to paint the truckers as extreme right. Any quality sources for that claim?

Just google "Ottawa protests harassment". There are tons of articles.

"Health care workers in Ottawa are being harassed protesters against COVID-19 mandates" - https://www.npr.org/2022/02/12/1080354245/health-care-worker...

"Unruly protesters prompt early closure of two downtown grocery stores" - https://ottawacitizen.com/news/unruly-protesters-prompt-earl...

"Ottawa police issue 825 more tickets, respond to reports of protesters ‘harassing children’" - https://ottawa.citynews.ca/police-beat/ottawa-police-issue-8...

> Police have said they are concerned about how the convoy has attracted far-right and extremist elements, and on Sunday confirmed they were dealing with more than 60 criminal investigations, with alleged offences including "mischief, thefts, hate crimes and property damage". - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60281088

"Canada: Ottawa protests full of 'hate propaganda'" - https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/canada-ottawa-prot...

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by tlear »

bawolff wrote: post #511
tlear wrote: post #457

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It really reminds me of the situation in the USSR in the 1991. Trudeau will call in the army, what the army will do is not what he expects I suspect. He is digging his own grave. Hopefully it will not come down to Ceaușescu resolution

Trudeau says he is not calling in the army, and besides that would be a provincial rsponsibility i think so it would be up to the premier.

He is not calling it today. We will see next week or week after.

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Post by henrikschroder »

malermeister wrote: post #261
tonfreed wrote: post #117

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Sounds a little silly to confiscate the assets of the people bringing the food to your table. That and the towies in the area are refusing to move any of the trucks. Trudeau just looks weak at this point, and for a prime minister that got in because of his good looks and his dad's popularity it's not a good omen.

90% of truckers are vaccinated. [0] This isn't "truckers" protesting, this is the radical fringe. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/28/canada-truck...

The conflation of "anti-vax" and "anti-mandate" is absolutely infuriating, and I'm sad and upset that so many people are falling for it.

It is perfectly possible to be pro-vaccine and anti-mandate, because the case for mandates makes no scientific sense. Forcing the vaccines on people will create more anti-vaxxers, not fewer! The whole thing is completely counterproductive.

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Post by JohnWhigham »

fishidns wrote: post #247
chrisdhoover wrote: post #196

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Polling whether rights should be suspended is dangerous. I know nothing of Canadian law, but in the US if 2/3 polled said a peaceful protest should be broken up by the military. The response should condemnation and reassertion of our unalienable rights.

Why do you say it's peaceful? The only reason for the act is because of the illegal blockades which is affecting essential services, goods and livelihood of local business and citizens. A peaceful protest cannot hold people hostage by blocking their access to essential services and goods, and trapping them in. If the protest stopped doing that, then it's fine to continue as long as it wants. You can't have a very sma…

It's peaceful when it's my side doing the protesting!

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Post by rasz »

SECProto wrote: post #525
srcreigh wrote: post #307

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For what it's worth, Trudeau lost the popular vote last year.

> For what it's worth, Trudeau lost the popular vote last year. For what it's worth: no he didn't, he got 50.3% of the vote[1]. We don't directly elect prime ministers in Canada. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papineau_(electoral_district)#...

50% in a tiny district, 33% whole Canada.

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Post by moonshinefe »

hiyer wrote: post #440

When a section of Indian farmers imposed similar blockades on Indian highways, Trudeau was shilling their "right to protest" to pander to his Sikh voters. This despite the fact that the Indian protests were far from peaceful - devolving into riots[1], and the protest sites being venues for rapes[2] and gruesome murders[3,4]. With peaceful protests in his own backyard, Trudeau has forced private organisations to block…

No, he isn't calling in the army. See:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-premiers-cabinet-1.... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/justin-trudeau-invokes-em...

etc.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by morpheos137 »

Whether it is Black Lives Matter or Canadian Truckers nobody has the right to block roads.

The funniest thing about the direction the world has taken since 9/11 for me is the extent to which people are being played against each other according to a plan.

The plan appears to start with increasing social disorder from fomenting identity and grievance politics.

At one time the organisation behind the plan was know as the Illuminati but this is now considered not to exist.

Whether the human organisation exists or not society appears to have the emergent quality of implementing the "plan" autonomously.

Imagine how many nutcase truckers there would be with out social media? Imagine how many vaccine and mask karens there would be without social media?

Both sides are wrong and the powers that be want both sides to fight. Divide to conquer.

But alas this is a conspiracy theory and can't be discussed in polite company.

Absolutely hilarious to me is that the organising principle of capitalism is called the "Invisible Hand."

Yes lets all work together and build an Orwellian technocratic hell so that we can get rich individually.

Blind leaders leading blind men in a blind world.

Compete to please the Boss...lol.

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Post by jsjsbdkj »

daenz wrote: post #353
jsjsbdkj wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians re-elected Trudeau during the pandemic. The issue is that Ottawa Police were afraid of media backlash if they did any crowd control for the initial "protest" weekend. This allowed the occupiers to move in heavy machinery as barricades. When the weekend ended an…

>The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Then why require the mandate? I haven't seen any answer to that question besides the implied: "because we demand full compliance."

Do you understand how public health works? The vaccine does not 100% prevent any infection, it reduces the odds and intensity. Some people cannot be vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons. You would think computer people would understand "defense in depth".

Meanwhile, anti-vaccine people are single-handedly working to revive diseases that were almost eradicated:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/03/28/anti-v...

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Post by JamisonM »

screye wrote: post #504
hiyer wrote: post #440

When a section of Indian farmers imposed similar blockades on Indian highways, Trudeau was shilling their "right to protest" to pander to his Sikh voters. This despite the fact that the Indian protests were far from peaceful - devolving into riots[1], and the protest sites being venues for rapes[2] and gruesome murders[3,4]. With peaceful protests in his own backyard, Trudeau has forced private organisations to block…

The hypocrisy goes deeper. Trudeau had been advocating via the WTO for the removal of farming subsidies & MSP for Indian Farmers for years at that point.[1] If he had any semblance of moral consistency, then he would have been an ardent supporter of the farm bill. [1] https://theprint.in/diplomacy/trudeau-backs-farmers-protest-...

Support for the right to protest and support for a particular policy are orthogonal, is there any indication that the Canadian government supported their right to protest contingent on the policy in question?

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Post by tekstar »

hiyer wrote: post #440

When a section of Indian farmers imposed similar blockades on Indian highways, Trudeau was shilling their "right to protest" to pander to his Sikh voters. This despite the fact that the Indian protests were far from peaceful - devolving into riots[1], and the protest sites being venues for rapes[2] and gruesome murders[3,4]. With peaceful protests in his own backyard, Trudeau has forced private organisations to block…

I am not a fan of Trudeau, but I do live in Ottawa.

These are not peaceful protests. It's an occupation backed by our extreme right wing and significantly funded by people in other countries (cough). It's been terrorizing local residents night and day. Too loud to sleep, get harassed if you leave your house, and in one case the occupiers attempted to light an apartment building on fire and trap the residents inside.

Our local municipal police and council could not have done a worse job in the early days of this situation, and now the occupiers are well entrenched.

The occupation is also easy to mimic. A small group closed down a $300mil/day border crossing into the US. Another blockade in Alberta has now had 12 arrests and two caches of weapons siezed.

Before anyone brings up BLM, I will say I don't agree with violent protests on either side and that BLM protests were peaceful here in Ottawa.

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