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Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by cfcosta »

PierceJoy wrote: post #463
throwawaysea wrote: post #425

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And this is forced through other means that aren’t physical - but it is still forced. I am also not sure why the choice to get other jobs changes or justifies anything here. For example consider this: “There are other jobs so quit complaining when we racially discriminate against you.”

> And this is forced through other means that aren’t physical - but it is still forced. No, it is not forced. It is a choice. > For example consider this: “There are other jobs so quit complaining when we racially discriminate against you.” Race is a protected class. Vaccination status is not unless you have a document medical reason.

Except it is, check the Nuremberg tribunal case.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by throwawaysea »

jtbayly wrote: post #462
throwawaysea wrote: post #395

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I haven’t seen any evidence of the Canadian truckers doing anything egregious or blatantly illega. However here are example sources I just found from a few Google searches for what I saw from BLM protests in my city (the grandparent comment): https://clashdaily.com/2020/11/seattle-blm-activist-arrested... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protes... https://komonews.com/news/local/police-spokespers…

I know all about that. I was questioning the claim that this protest has done all the same things.

Sorry I thought your comment was in response to my earlier GP comment. I edited it to clarify. And yes I haven’t seen any of the same things with the Canada protests.

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Post by rayiner »

mindslight wrote: post #370
rayiner wrote: post #234

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The article is, in fact, doing the opposite of "complaining about some big 'left' collusion." It's an explanation of how a vocal minority can produce similar results without any sort of conspiracy. > They're basically indifferent on social issues, and so from the right they appear "left" because they echo the broadest appeal as a marketing technique. The notion that this stuff has the "broadest appeal as a marketing…

The article explores some mechanics while still focused on this idea that corporations are inescapably left. I'd say the larger difference is left activism is pro-social, or hyper-social in the extreme. "Black Trans" is promoting one specific identity, but not at the expense of others (apart from dilution). Whereas what is perceived as right activism has to rise to the level of being anti-social - a simple picture a…

> I'd say the larger difference is left activism is pro-social, or hyper-social in the extreme. "Black Trans" is promoting one specific identity, but not at the expense of others (apart from dilution).

Left activism is anti-social: it elevates the sovereign individual to primacy. It rejects the legitimacy of the majority to impose norms and demand conformity—even when it comes to socialization of children. It replaces that with the right of small minorities to impose norms on everyone else. For example, whereas in Asian countries you have norms that demand you address elders by formal titles, in left activism you have norms that require everyone to exchange pronouns for the sake of a small minority. The insistence on social affirmation, moreover, makes modern left activism different than the old liberal pluralism.

In the form of intersectionality, left activism is also appropriative. It uses the political capital of Black people, for example, to advance a number of other ideological positions which most Black people and Muslims don’t support and don’t agree with.

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Post by coryrc »

yreg wrote: post #334
coryrc wrote: post #283

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Children are not any more at risk from covid than the flu (even less, I believe) yet never before did we have these restrictions.

How do you know the long term effects?

We have a long history with coronaviruses. I doubt you worried about any of the others before.

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Post by evv555 »

nobodyandproud wrote: post #85
astraloverflow wrote: post #80

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It might be more accurate to say that the democrats started taking the rust belt for granted. And it's hard to ignore the left's shift (in primary focus) from blue collar workers issues towards race and gender issues.

This I agree with. I cringed when my co-workers talked about “fly-over” country, but I was equally shocked when Hillary Clinton lost. As much as I hate to say it, Trump getting elected (wrong person, but gets a point across) shows the system sort of works. Edit: Just to be clear, I’m a liberal at the end of the day but anyone who thinks “their side” doesn’t have problems, I can’t really agree with.

>I cringed when my co-workers talked about “fly-over” country, but I was equally shocked when Hillary Clinton lost.

That's not taking for granted like you are saying. That's coastal elites and intelligentsia looking at "fly over" working class with contempt. It's a mutual cultural divide equivalent to xenophobia.

>Just to be clear, I’m a liberal at the end of the day but anyone who thinks “their side” doesn’t have problems, I can’t really agree with.

Not a Trump supporter. I'm a "politically homeless" liberal as well.

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Post by pstuart »

8note wrote: post #276
pstuart wrote: post #22

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Vaccines didn't used to be political.

People didn't used to disagree with the politics.

People have always disagreed over politics, it's just that more things have been politicized.

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Post by landemva »

klyrs wrote: post #443
landemva wrote: post #382

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For their health when older, I hope they look into getting exposed to chicken pox ASAP.

Their grandma just died of covid, and while part of me would hope that it would be a wakeup call, the kids are all home-schooled, so they've probably swallowed the narrative that nothing different could have been done; it was just her time to meet Jesus. I hope they don't get chickenpox, personally. I hope they get some life experience that opens their eyes to how ignorant they are.

I'm not implying they nor their family are ignorant. Chicken pox is easily survivable for children. Less so for older adults. My parents took me to a pox party of other kids specifically to be exposed.

Covid is also easily survivable for children, and adults in reasonably good health. I survived corona a year ago and now see no medical reason to get those jabs.

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Post by culi »

_-david-_ wrote: post #530
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The difference was likely the threat of GFM getting involved in expensive legal situations since the protests were growing increasingly violent. The Canadian Trucking Alliance itself pointed out that most of the protestors had no connection with trucking. Other investigations found a lot of the participants had ties to white nationalist movements.[0] GFM is in a tricky spot. They prolly realized being hated by ant va…

If protests starting to get more violent is not acceptable then why did GFM continue the funding for BLM and Chop/chaz? Also, this protest is not about being pro or anti vax. It is about mandates.

Sure, and Unite the Right was about unity

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Post by culi »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #468
culi wrote: post #413

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> how does protesting COVID mandates Uhh, I think calling for the overthrowing of the federal government[0] is a little more than just protesting a covid mandate lol. To be clear, I'm not saying overthrowing the federal gov't is racist or misogynist. I'm just saying that clearly there is a lot more going on than that [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/28/canada-trucker...

This is one of the most hyperbolic claims. Overthrow the government in this case means publicly and commit to repealing mandates, and set up a citizen group to review policy. Similar requests of governments happen every year in western countries. There are citizen oversight groups set up for failing school districts, police departments, and the environment. None of these Re overthrowing the government

> One of the main groups behind the protest is Canada Unity, which has opposed what it says are “unconstitutional” Covid rules. The group recently posted a “memorandum of understanding” to its website, saying that members plan to present it to politicians on Parliament Hill. The group claims that the leader of the senate and the governor general will sign the document to create a governing committee, which they claim would work to revoke the vaccine mandate.

This is literally their demand

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Post by carlivar »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #515
carlivar wrote: post #363

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I am vaccinated, boosted, and anti mandate. "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." — Thomas Paine, Dissertation on First Principles of Government (1791)

You don't have a right to cross a border and spread a deadly disease. As far as I'm aware, these truckers are allowed to work unvaccinated within their own country.

Which disease, flu? They've likely been spreading that for decades.
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