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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jrochkind1 » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 1:46 PM UTC

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297

afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

I am not as free as Joe Rogan to get paid $100 million by Spotify for doing a podcast. So we don't all seem to have the same amount of "freedom" here.

Spotify's arbitrary choices about what content they want to host comes into it, what content they think is good for their business, etc. I don't think Spotify's choice to pay Rogan $100 million but not me is any more or less "censorship" than their choice of what episodes they want to include for that $100 million.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by cainxinth » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 1:46 PM UTC

darkhorse13 wrote: post #499

digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

Exactly why I listen to him. What makes you think we all want to only listen to mainstream opinions filtered by media "experts" and journalists? Also I'm absolutely fascinated by some of the fringe people and their ideas, particularly Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, Robert Schoch, i.e. the ancient civilization stuff. Literally nobody else in the media discusses these things with so much earnestness as Joe Rogan.

From the wiki pages for the people you mentioned:

> Graham Bruce Hancock… promotes pseudoscientific theories… An example of pseudohistory and pseudoarchaeology, his work has neither been peer reviewed nor published in academic journals.

> Mark Lehner, an American archaeologist and egyptologist, has disputed Schoch's analysis, stating, "You don't overthrow Egyptian history based on one phenomenon like a weathering profile... that is how pseudoscience is done, not real science."

> Historian Ronald H. Fritze has described Schoch as a "pseudohistorical and pseudoscientific writer".

Randall Carlson doesn’t have a wiki page.

I hope anyone who is interested in these people is listening to them out of morbid curiosity and not because they think they are deserving of any credence whatsoever. The scientific method is not optional. If you don’t use it, you’re not a scientist.

Rogan, however, appears to genuinely want to believe (and promote) these theories, whether they have any factual basis or not.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by m-s » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 1:48 PM UTC

polote wrote: post #497

concinds wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

> What's left is his website (if you remember the URL) It's only a matter of time before Google Chrome bans viewing url that Google considers harmful, as they already do with phishing URL

You can still click through the phishing warning

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by DonHopkins » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 1:48 PM UTC

rektide wrote: post #257

TOMDM wrote: post #201

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I know it's a lost battle because anyone whose not a nerd will never care, but I wish we could all just call content that moves to a centralised platform like Spotify an internet talkshow or whatever and leave the word podcast to the people distributing MP3s via RSS.

This is what happens when you fail to write a RFC.

What, and document all of RSS's embarrassing design flaws??!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7728020

>The worst use of the tag ever was the discussion held in the early days of RSS about escaping HTML in titles, whose attention-grabbing title went something like this: "Hey, what happens when you put a tag in the title???!!!"

>The content of that notorious discussion went on and off and on and off for weeks, giving all the netizens of the RSS community blogosphere terrible headaches, with people's entire blogs disappearing and reappearing every second, until it finally reached a flashing point, when Dave Winer humbly conceded that it wasn't the user's fault for being an idiot, and maybe just maybe there was tiny teeny little design flaw in RSS, and it wasn't actually such a great idea to allow HTML tags in RSS titles.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by SquareWheel » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 1:48 PM UTC

polote wrote: post #497

concinds wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

> What's left is his website (if you remember the URL) It's only a matter of time before Google Chrome bans viewing url that Google considers harmful, as they already do with phishing URL

They don't block phishing URLs. They put up a warning screen, but you are still free to skip it and view the page.

https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/99020

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by rbanffy » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 1:49 PM UTC

concinds wrote: post #324

afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

> The open web is dead.

Spotify is NOT the open web. Rogan can host the audio files on his own site. That’s the open web.

Spotify is under no obligation to offer him or anyone any sort of service if they don’t want to.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ericmay » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 1:50 PM UTC

concinds wrote: post #324

afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

I’m not sure he would have been banned. I mean Bret Weinstein is still publishing isn’t he?

And that’s without talking about lots of other sketchy podcasts that have good followings and haven’t been banned.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by thebigjewbowski » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 1:52 PM UTC

fy20 wrote: post #418

thebigjewbowski wrote: post #269

I love Joe. I use Spotify exclusively to listen to his podcast. I listen to every episode… I wish there was a way to tell them if it wasn’t for his show I’d never use their app but I suspect they already know that. Unfortunately I think attacks on his having been prescribed ivermectin and his guests like the highly published cardiologist and the guy that contracts with the defense department and has patents related t…

Out of interest, did you listen before he went Spotify exclusive?

Yes. I only downloaded Spotify after he went exclusive.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by peteradio » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 1:55 PM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #386

xdennis wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? No. Censorship is the suppression of speech. If you don't sell a book because you don't think it fits your store, or you don't think it's profitable, that's not censorship. But if you refuse to carry a book SPECIFICALLY because you don't like the message, then that IS censorship. Some forms of censorship are illeg…

I really don't know if a HN thread is the place for like an abstract take, but I really dislike these "absolutist" definitions. You take a high-impact, emotionally charged word with a well defined meaning in its cultural context, rip it out of that context, apply the naive detached dictionary definition, and then end run around and shove it back into that high-impact context to your rhetorical benefit, where it would…

> It's not this inherently evil dystopian thing anymore.

If that is the point where you begin to care, then it's probably much too late.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by scrubs » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 1:55 PM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #536

concinds wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

> The open web is dead. Spotify is NOT the open web. Rogan can host the audio files on his own site. That’s the open web. Spotify is under no obligation to offer him or anyone any sort of service if they don’t want to.

Right? I mean, good lord the amount of blabbering that end runs the obvious is annoying. Setup your own. Move on.

Maybe Joe's bigger problem is he talks too much. He ought to spend time thinking about his business not seeing himself as a celebrity. You know, in a lot of places, stupidity is not well tolerated.

And Joe? Maybe think about something to say. Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr (boxer eg Ali), MLK, Federal papers, Shakespeare, Voltaire are remembered. In the daily spoken world, you'll accumulate many data points. Eventually turn to analysis, reflection, meaning.

Cause if you don't? I can still go back to the good guys above or merely talk to your guests myself. And we'll move on.