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Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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> an IBM marketing team called HIS CELL and asked for ME. What the fuck is this? A name/email for your company when trying something out is so that you can keep track of any support requests we need, not for you to sell shit to me.

Yeah, the whole culture there (and other places like Oracle) is all about implanting mindshare at the decision-maker level and driving unilateral adoption from the top down. Pursuing such an approach is highly revealing because if the technology actually worked , that approach would not be necessary. Once they’re “in” at the decision-maker level, they can continue to milk the organisation with long-duration support a…

Add this one to the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_pay_system

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The company I worked for used some Oracle tech and I was trying to get some high level information about a product but their website kept requesting my e-mail just to show me some documentation. Once I provided them with my e-mail, I started receiving "You must take us to your leader" messages in a tone as if I was their employee and they were commanding me to take them to my CEO. I can't imagine myself chasing the C…

Funny, similar thing happened to me. IBM along a few other behemots pitched for a serious project at a company I worked for as enterprise arch. All companies brought their top salespeople, and all tried nasty things, but IBM was by far the worst. Their top guy started their pitch by saying he chatted with our CEO over the christmas holidays. He mentioned - and I am not making this up - that he should be talking to pe…

"Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" was the common phrase at our company in the 1990s. At the time, that was certainly true. Which lead to adoption of truly awful tech, token-ring over type-1 cable, versus ethernet over twisted pair.

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Kindah like Palantir

Ehh...I get why tech people are suspect of Palantir but they're just disrupting other government contractors. And from my limited experience working with the government, they absolutely need / want / rely on having companies hold their hand as they insist on doing things the hard, slow, and very custom way.

To be honest, my experience of private enterprise is that they insist on doing things hard, slow and very custom. Almost every problem that exists is distinct enough that you can argue it doesn't fit the existing COTS software. It's sometimes necesary to build something yourself, but no where near as often as it is done.

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I worked for a large e-commerce company. I wanted to investigate putting all our support data into Watson and see what sort of recommendations it could provide, maybe a sort of auto-suggestion to help our customers. Three really funny points stand out from the experience: 1) To apply for Watson access you needed to show C-level approval, so our CEO put his name and phone number on the application (trying Watson was s…

It used to be you can't get fired for hiring big blue. In the end it was always a lot of sales /pre sales folks, and a lot of substandard subcontractors milking the golden cow. I don't miss managing their implementations/deliveries at all.

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I worked at IBM Watson as one of the early engineers when they first started commercializing the product. It was a fucking joke - Ginni Rometty would go up on stage and said that Watson can help diagnose cancer from CT scans and we would just look at each other and be like "Dude, Watson is just a glorified Lucene index, wtf is she talking about." They started selling Watson as the end-all for everything from cancer d…

> they even had a stupid Watson chef thing at SXSW one year I loved Chef Watson, am sad that it's gone, and would pay a small amount for renewed access. It wasn't "smart", and its recommendations needed to be tempered with human understanding, but I wound up with some great recipes that I wouldn't have thought of otherwise. I think the best was goat milk mac & cheese with radishes and red miso. The funniest was when…

I remember reading some very amusing Chef Watson cocktail recipes. Lots of savory concepts like putting chicken or meat into a drink.

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The company I worked for used some Oracle tech and I was trying to get some high level information about a product but their website kept requesting my e-mail just to show me some documentation. Once I provided them with my e-mail, I started receiving "You must take us to your leader" messages in a tone as if I was their employee and they were commanding me to take them to my CEO. I can't imagine myself chasing the C…

Funny, similar thing happened to me. IBM along a few other behemots pitched for a serious project at a company I worked for as enterprise arch. All companies brought their top salespeople, and all tried nasty things, but IBM was by far the worst. Their top guy started their pitch by saying he chatted with our CEO over the christmas holidays. He mentioned - and I am not making this up - that he should be talking to pe…

I was involved in a small project, and we were running low on the money runway for next phase. The IBM sales guy literally barged into a FORTUNE 50 CIOs office, without an appointment, asking for budget to be approved for the next phase. project continued, but I never saw the sales guy again. The team had a good chuckle and I never understood what the guy was thinking he would achieve with this tactic.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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The company I worked for used some Oracle tech and I was trying to get some high level information about a product but their website kept requesting my e-mail just to show me some documentation. Once I provided them with my e-mail, I started receiving "You must take us to your leader" messages in a tone as if I was their employee and they were commanding me to take them to my CEO. I can't imagine myself chasing the C…

Funny, similar thing happened to me. IBM along a few other behemots pitched for a serious project at a company I worked for as enterprise arch. All companies brought their top salespeople, and all tried nasty things, but IBM was by far the worst. Their top guy started their pitch by saying he chatted with our CEO over the christmas holidays. He mentioned - and I am not making this up - that he should be talking to pe…

Stories like this about IBM were handed down to me by my father. They've been doing this a long time!

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IBM, Oracle, Panatir....in a lot of cases these are pro services companies that custom build whatever is needed. LOTS of money in enterprise application development.

Oracle is a expensive and "popular" database, IBM does many things ( eg. Quantum computers, ... ) Palantir is a consultancy body shop with a dashboard product and a probably good pipeline for merging data. ( Reference - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11646587 ) Pure consultancy is rated much lower ( eg. Thoughtworks if you want a reference)

Consultancy + adaptable software is a decent business model. Unfortunately "adaptable software" for {insert industry} is a really hard target to architect right.

Especially when the majority of your tech headcount bills by the hour and gets paid to tell the customer "Yes."

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If you want to do something less buzzwordy with lots of real-life applications, look into distributed systems. Try running an Apache big data project yourself and write some programs/queries for it, try making a change to the project to do something cool. My suggestion to check out an Apache big data project is just that it gives you a good place to learn, not so you can be a "hadoop specialist" or anything like that…

Oh, so don't do current buzzwords but past ones like Big Data are okay. And if you wanna learn about distributed systems nothing better than Bitcoin or any cryptocurrency based on a P2P protocol.

Big data tools are just one example of distributed systems. I suggested looking into them because there are a lot of open source ones you can play with, not because I think big data isn't a buzzword (though Spark is definitely used a lot in industry).

Crypto is of course a distributed system too (at least, many are) but in practice it's a bit different than anything you'd see in industry because it's trustless.

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Why?

Good question. Prediction markets [1] allow people to bet on outcomes and benefit financially if they are correct. However, many jurisdictions ban them outright claiming that they a form of gambling and challenging the unregulated nature of questions leading to misaligned incentives (“When will that building burn down?”). Yet despite these issues, the scheme can offer a neutral ground for betting against overhyped te…

Neutral ground is useless if the blockchain doesn't have an oracle to know what happens in the real world.

The blockchain only knows about things on the blockchain itself. So someone has to do the actual data entry into the blockchain, and that person is the weakest link in any 'prediction' scheme.

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