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President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by z3ncyberpunk »

diordiderot wrote: post #306
ecopoesis wrote: post #263

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Whitewashing history to save the economy is certainly an interesting take. Let's be clear: the reason the Chinese government wants to forget and move on from Tiananmen Square is because it threatens their power. The scariest thing for an autocrat is the people realizing that people hold the real power, and that all systems of government only exist because of the consent of the governed (implied in China's case, expli…

Why does the right want to forget and move on from Tulsa massacre?

Why does the left want to ignore and move on from their broad racist history? What does your comment have to do when the above comment you replied to? Partisan tribalism does nothing but project your insecurities.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by xyproto »

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by marderfarker2 »

colinmhayes wrote: post #392
merpnderp wrote: post #255

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I don't think you're down in the weeds enough. China does have freedom to a degree. Obviously there's lots of ways where they have zero freedom also. But it certainly looks like the CCP is attempting to maximize freedom where it provides utility and minimize it where it hurts their goals or prosperity. I vehemently disagree with that stance, but I do want acknowledge the CCP's actual stance.

Disappearing people who accuse the government/government officials of wrongdoing will never maximize utility.

I think you will disappear if you offend anyone too powerful, even in first worlds/democratic countries.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by star-trek-fleet »

Icko wrote: post #121
marcus_holmes wrote: post #55

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Kinda bizarre assumption that the Chinese nationals getting their education in the USA automatically want to become citizens of the USA.

Richer country, better quality of life, more personal freedoms. Not bizarre assumption at all.

> Richer country

Trust me most students in US nowadays are family financial support. They are already rich. And the US do not often give enough working position for them (outside of tech, which h1b is not particularly friendly)

> better quality of life

This definitely is wrong. Those kids enjoyed a far better life in China than US.

> more personal freedoms.

Well, for what they want to do, they'll have more freedom...

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by syshum »

woodruffw wrote: post #460
bubblethink wrote: post #385

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>Legally adults, perhaps, but I think we have a social consensus that most college students are kids. US universities are famously litigious and take a hard line stance when it suits them. See Aaron Swartz. So, I don't buy the 'they are still kids' line. That is, I don't condone it, but I don't agree that universities are motivated by this sort of reasoning.

> US universities are famously litigious and take a hard line stance when it suits them. See Aaron Swartz. MIT was not a party to the lawsuit against Aaron Swartz, nor was even JSTOR. It was brought entirely by the US Attorney for Massachusetts.

They claim that after the fact, after the bad press, I believe neither JSTOR or MIT

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by mrtranscendence »

pphysch wrote: post #350
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

To be crystal clear, the PRC does not view Tiananmen Square as a purely domestic affair. The extent to which students were radicalized, or signal-boosted by foreign influence is unclear. In that sense, a better comparison would be an event in America's history that had significant foreign interference. For example, 9/11. You can talk objectively about 9/11, sure, just like you can talk objectively about Tiananmen Squ…

I'm not sure what to make of this comparison. You're not sure the extent to which foreign influence played a role in radicalizing people leading up to an event where Chinese citizens were massacred by the Chinese state, so it's fair to compare it to a situation where foreign nationals murdered US civilians? This is apples and oranges. Apples and Teslas. Dogs and supercomputers. They're not the same thing.

> just like you can talk objectively about Tiananmen Square in China

Citation needed. Even researching Tiananmen Square in China gets you on watchlists.

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Post by rootsudo »

Weak, so on the campus "sutdents" can't deny rights, but what about a country?

If they go against the grain too much, China will not sponsor students to go there and pay the high premiums for international students.

Current Chinese students will be afraid to speak out, and have to swear more allegiance to the Chinese State because dissent is now precedent.

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Post by Nevermark »

lazide wrote: post #489
elteto wrote: post #470

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Purdue isn't going to go bankrupt because of 200 students.

Depending on how they handle it, they could end up blacklisted by all Chinese students - which is likely a whole lot more than 200 students. That it could also (in an extreme case) cause many employers with Chinese ties to avoid alumni with Perdue ties to avoid backlash from China is an outcome they can’t ignore either. CCP is not known for rational, reasoned responses in situations like this.

Unfortunately, most of those responses are very rational and reasoned. The regime has decided that intimidation is a useful tool for defending its narratives, and uses it in many contexts.

That global campaigne makes an even handed response for Purdue important, both for this context, and helping set an example for wider contexts.

We need to maintain/develop a strong and even handed culture - standing up for everyone's right of expression without harassment.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by lazide »

simonh wrote: post #514
lazide wrote: post #478

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If something is harassment or merely exercising their right to express their opinion is also a matter for subjective judgement and he said/she said type finger pointing, and highly dependent on context and frequency (which can be hard to find solid concrete evidence for without a lot of work).

It sounds like some of the students not only threatened to report him to the Chinese authorities, but told him that they had done so, and he has proof who made these threats and claims. They didn’t try to hide it.

If they have a right to do that, is that harassment?

I doubt Purdue (up to now) has any policy saying it’s illegal to report someone to authorities for something they did. Even if those authorities are not popular right now and the thing they did is ok at Perdue but not at home.

Is it a ‘dick move’ and offend our sensibilities? Sure.

But that doesn’t mean it’s any different than if a bunch of folks from the US were at a French university during the 50’s and someone called the FBI telling them that Bob was saying a lot of scary things about communism and just got a Russian Girlfriend and maybe they should look into it.

If it’s true, then of course the FBI is going to look into it. If true, it’s also unlikely to count as harassment. It’s also pretty terrible from 5 different angles.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

ed312 wrote: post #335
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #300

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> should be only one remedy: imediate expulsion of any agent of repression of the Chinese state There should be the same remedy that is provided to any other bully. These are still kids. There is a learning opportunity. If they refuse to learn, yes, expulsion should be in the cards.

University students are emphatically not kids. The students who are US citizens are legal adults expected to vote an participate in democracy. At what age do you expect them to suddenly "grow up" and be responsible for their actions?

Being a functional adult takes practice. Nobody "grows up" until they've been responsible for their own actions for several years. Highschools (and to a lesser degree, parents) have largely passed the buck on this one.

If it were up to me people would get voting rights a few years after they get treated like an adult in all other capacities, I don't care if you move one up or move the other back.

Universities should treat students like adults but these people have no practice being adults so it's gonna be messy.

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