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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by _____-___ »

koofdoof wrote: post #186
hirundo wrote: post #81

Hacker News has a similar problem with comments: net_votes = up_votes - down_votes You need at least two of the above variables to get an idea of both the direction and magnitude of the voting. Hacker News provides only one: net_votes. YouTube used to provide up_votes and down_votes, effectively providing all three. Now YouTube has reduced its information to up_votes, so they're now down to one variable in the equati…

Hacker News at least somewhat shows when a comment's net_votes is negative by fading the visibilty out. Which is kind of the exact opposite of YouTube's new system, showing only negative responses vs only positive responses.

Yeah, HN shows the net_votes, YouTube is now only showing upvotes, so the person you're replying to is wrong here. It's not the same since HN's showing what people think of the comment, vs YouTube only showing people who liked the content. Not saying it couldn't be better, it's just a flawed comparison.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by emodendroket »

ddingus wrote: post #513
emodendroket wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds a lot like the people you're talking to are Republican partisans who view most events through that lens.

I have many of those same questions. Dem for decades. Just saying...

YouTube was an outlier in keeping the thumbs-down for as long as it did, as pretty much every other platform has long since gone to a more "positive" direction.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

emodendroket wrote: post #532
ddingus wrote: post #513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have many of those same questions. Dem for decades. Just saying...

YouTube was an outlier in keeping the thumbs-down for as long as it did, as pretty much every other platform has long since gone to a more "positive" direction.

Those moves do not make sense either.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

root_axis wrote: post #530
ddingus wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't need to. The technical arguments are not sufficiently compelling to undermine the entirely obvious transition to a more big media friendly model in progress. Further, I'm on the solid majority opinion on all this. To get past that requires proponents show people need this to be done, they are better off, and that somehow they will be better informed, see more value. Not gonna happen.

> I don't need to Ok. Obviously you don't need to do anything, but presenting evidence for a claim when asked is a pretty basic standard for discussion around here. Peace out.

We do not have an absolute here. Time will tell.

You want hard facts on political and power motivated behaviors. Over time, as I said, we will learn more.

And hey, I could be wrong. That will come out too.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by emodendroket »

ddingus wrote: post #533
emodendroket wrote: post #532

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube was an outlier in keeping the thumbs-down for as long as it did, as pretty much every other platform has long since gone to a more "positive" direction.

Those moves do not make sense either.

They happened before Donald Trump was even President.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by thizzbuzz »

charcircuit wrote: post #344
notJim wrote: post #305

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Some of us are looking to learn or do a specific thing, not just waste time on whatever videos YouTube is recommending. This weekend I am planning to install a tow hitch on my car. I highly doubt YouTube is going to recommend just the right video for that at exactly the right time. YouTube knows me pretty well, but I doubt they know whether I want to learn about dark matter or modular synthesizers at this exact momen…

That's what the search bar is for. You can ask YouTube to recommend you videos based off of a search query.

YT's recommendation algorithm is shit and you have zero control over it, even if you wipe your usage history and try to actively manipulate it.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by thizzbuzz »

shadowgovt wrote: post #425
willis936 wrote: post #371

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And that somehow means they are making decisions optimal for users or society, contrary to their behavior history?

It means they're more likely to have the resources and data to think decisions like this through. Especially given that I've seen other social networks take a similar course, I trust Google's analysis of the effect of visible vs. invisible dislike counts over the ad-hoc common sense of the uninvested technorati.

And that makes you naive. Did you ever consider that their interests and the interests of their users are not aligned?

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by sieabah »

ddingus wrote: post #534
root_axis wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't need to Ok. Obviously you don't need to do anything, but presenting evidence for a claim when asked is a pretty basic standard for discussion around here. Peace out.

We do not have an absolute here. Time will tell. You want hard facts on political and power motivated behaviors. Over time, as I said, we will learn more. And hey, I could be wrong. That will come out too.

It's intellectually lazy arguing. They're basically trying to take the position of "It's not real until you can have a scientific or political consensus by APPROVED thought leaders."

It's a chicken and egg issue. You can assume if you have an egg you'll eventually get a chicken, but he's saying "you don't know that 'for sure'" until the chicken hatches. It's just feels like concern trolling.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by sieabah »

root_axis wrote: post #522
ddingus wrote: post #520

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For what? Burden is on you here, due to your position in the conversation. What are we looking for? Why does it matter?

The entire comment section is full of comments criticizing the removal of the dislike button.

The important distinction is the type of user making the complaint. A youtube partner gets their comments deleted whereas random people don't. It would then go without saying, the larger the voice the more scrutiny it may receive.

All I'm seeing from your responses however is just intellectual laziness, borderline concern trolling and trying to mostly defend anti-American actions from a large American corporation. I'm not sure what your goal is, but I don't think you're having this discussion in good faith.

You're also asking for proof of censorship, I'm not sure if you understand how what you ask literally would be nearly impossible to provide because it would be censored. It would have to have you go on and trust to some degree that something was said.

If you want to go about arguing with your "strongly intellectual" mindset you're going to have a rough time being able to comprehend counter intuitive discussions involving the destruction of the very evidence you're trying to discuss.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by sieabah »

ddingus wrote: post #521
sieabah wrote: post #517

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You have never dealt with bandwidth costs for video, have you.

Nope, but they are off the charts!! Others will figure this out. The value is high enough for users to fund it. I would for sure. In fact, funding that via small money from people is likely the best model. AD driven stuff has too many conflicts of interest.

Oh I absolutely agree, I think once R2 becomes GA it will be a game changer for a lot of VOD content or youtube-like platforms. Amazon, Google, and Azure are holding back an entire industry because of the price gouging they have on bandwidth.
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