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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by manigandham »

likeclockwork wrote: post #423
manigandham wrote: post #325

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He's quite literally the "average Joe" (at least when he started). The reason he no longer thinks the moon landing is fake is because of reasoned science and understanding which he learned through the course of the show by talking to guests like Neil deGrasse Tyson.

If you invite me for dinner at your house and I spend 4 hours forcing you to convince me the Earth is round, even if I emerge with changed views, are we really going to be good friends after that?

That's up to you whether you can be friends with people who change your mind. I don't see why that's so hard but Rogan's changed opinion should be seen as a success story about learning.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by wrycoder »

0xy wrote: post #478
bloopernova wrote: post #436

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The various health authorities told people not to use masks at first because: Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment. The public was panic buying anything and everything. Remember empty grocery store shelves? Price gouging people who were hoarding all the hand sanitizer? When those circumstances changed, so did the advice. There's no one on earth who gets everything right first time, and thus…

The CDC did not say "don't buy masks because healthcare professionals need them". The CDC falsely claimed they were not effective. This false narrative persists even today. How many thousands died because they were told by an authority masks don't work? Your point of view seems to suggest that the ends justify the means. I ask you how many deaths are an acceptable amount of collateral damage to protect the health sys…

It persists, because procedure/surgical masks do virtually nothing to stop SARS2. [0] I won't even mention cloth masks.

In sum, of the 14 RCTs that have tested the effectiveness of masks in preventing the transmission of respiratory viruses, three suggest, but do not provide any statistically significant evidence in intention-to-treat analysis, that masks might be useful. The other eleven suggest that masks are either useless—whether compared with no masks or because they appear not to add to good hand hygiene alone—or actually counterproductive. Of the three studies that provided statistically significant evidence in intention-to-treat analysis that was not contradicted within the same study, one found that the combination of surgical masks and hand hygiene was less effective than hand hygiene alone, one found that the combination of surgical masks and hand hygiene was less effective than nothing, and one found that cloth masks were less effective than surgical masks.

N95 are better, but those are not generally available to civilians.

[0] https://www.city-journal.org/do-masks-work-a-review-of-the-e...

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by manigandham »

teknofobi wrote: post #519
manigandham wrote: post #357

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He's had plenty of prominent leftist guests like Bernie Sanders, and most of his comedian and artist friends are left-leaning, and he leans left himself. How is this a gateway to the alt-right? At some point these accusations just become meaningless.

Joe Rogan leans left in the same way someone that starts their sentences with “I’m not rasist, but …” aren’t racists. It’s just a rhetorical device to convince you that they don’t believe in labels, and then they immediately use their actions and words to demonstrate that they fit the textbook description of the label. > They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, f…

It's the labels that are the problem, used by unreasonable people to create even more division. Most do not identify with a single side across all issues, or even all facets of a single issue.

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Post by jessaustin »

mavhc wrote: post #466
edge17 wrote: post #165

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If anyone wants a datapoint, I stop listening to podcasts once they go to Spotify. I use Overcast, and generally don't have the wherewithal to chase content. I'm guessing there are more like me. I was an infrequent listener to Joe Rogan, but now I am not a listener at all (because it moved to Spotify). Also, there seems to be a lot of judgement of the kind of person Joe Rogan is (conspiracy, etc) in the comments. I h…

There's 1000 sane hosts who have the same interesting guests though, don't support the crazy people, we've seen where that leads us

Name ten.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by supperburg »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #493
supperburg wrote: post #473

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I will read the full thing later but I find it hard to believe when you see this “Moreover, the current western lifestyle is characterized by high fat intake” Which is stated as fact when it’s not even true. Fat has been stripped out of everything. Even milk has the fat taken out of it. Look anywhere and you will see “fat free” And while I agree that a lot of what saladino says doesn’t have enough evidence to be tota…

> And while I agree that a lot of what saladino says doesn’t have enough evidence to be totally sure, what everyone always ignores is when saladino points out that there isn’t enough evidence to be sure of the lipid hypothesis of heart disease. This is a common, but lazy, trope trotted out by people like Saladino. It's the same "It's just a theory" argument that climate change deniers use. There is a lot of evidence…

These are extremely valid points. Even Shawn baker doesn’t like the fact that Paul directly profits from promoting carnivore.

It’s funny you say there’s a lot of evidence showing LDL is bad etc, ok then show me the randomized interventional study regarding animal fat. Regarding carnivore. You can’t and so whenever you say “there’s lots of evidence” you also have to say “but it’s still unproven.” And yes, there is a difference between me and people who deny gravity or global warming because in my case, the study is absolutely trivial to perform! But it never happens because the academic community refuses to put people in (hypothetical!) danger by feeding them animal fat. It would be immoral and most importantly very unfashionable to perform a study like that.

Here’s the rub: nobody I know or have seen has experienced a decline in their health from carnivore. There’s no hard evidence that it’s bad for you. That guy from the grateful dead did it for 40 years and never had a heart problem. I want a randomized controlled and interventional study that simply shows us what difference it makes to be carnivore rather than something else. I will happily shut up forever if we did that and I was wrong.

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Post by nemothekid »

danenania wrote: post #452
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> Says people who don’t watch joe rogan. Joe rogan has two kinds of guests: experts/scientists and show biz people. As someone who has been listening to Joe (on and off) for ~5 years, it's hard to believe that you haven't noticed a trend in the type of guests Joe has on in past year. I really feel it used to be that Joe would have on a wide range of people but now it seems that he's created an echo chamber. For examp…

Dogmatic... really? It's hard for me to think of a less dogmatic public figure. His views are all over the place, change frequently, and aren't at all consistent with each other. His critics (on both right and left) generally seem to want him to be more dogmatic, not less; they want him to be consistent with their own preferred dogma. To me Joe comes across as someone who's figuring it out as they go and doesn't have…

His views are only all over the place if you try to bucket him in the American "Democrat/Republican" binary bucket. If you listen to him for a long time he is surprisingly consistent a number of issues. For example, Joe is a huge supporter of public welfare. He grew up, temporarily, on food stamps and has always pushed back when even the most right of guests would call people on welfare lazy. Likewise I feel he has an incredibly poor track record on trans rights and can be very transphobic. That said, it's very difficult for people to communicate outside the "Democrat/Republican" playing field and people seem to love team sports more than discussion. Now that said, Joe is a human being and is welcome to his own beliefs, but whereas before I felt like Joe would have a mix of people on, his newer guests tend to be people who reaffirm his beliefs.

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Post by coryfklein »

nradov wrote: post #232
suzzer99 wrote: post #219

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This. I just wish he'd take his enormous reach a little more seriously when he entertains quack pseudoscience as if it's an equally valid POV to real peer-reviewed science.

You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?

I've listened to 4-5 Joe Rogan episodes and not once got the impression that he was trying to be a comedian. Now I may be an idiot, but I don't think I'm _exceptionally_ idiotic compared to most folks who might come across his content.
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