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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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smnrchrds wrote: post #146
dangus wrote: post #128

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Your bank is already a third party with its hands on your financial information, likely stored "in the cloud." Check out Chase's privacy policy as an example: https://www.chase.com/digital/resources/privacy-security/pri... A number of information sharing activities cannot be limited. This is typical of any bank or financial institution. Your bank has its own vendors, many of them are themselves SaaS and cloud hosted!…

The problem with YNAB is that, A) They will have all of your financial information, as opposed to banks that will each get a slice. So the data they have is much more sensitive. B) YNAB has around 100 employees in total. They do not have the resources to secure their data the way big banks do. We all have our doubts about security at big banks, but I am sure small startups are way worse. C) It was all unnecessary for…

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by ashton314 »

sleepybrett wrote: post #530

fuck these guys. seriously. I've been using this product since 3.x. I chose it because I could use a wide variety of syncing solutions. It did what it said on the tin. Gave me a place to store my passwords that was secure. I was a happy user buying upgrades whenever they came out until 7.x where it took me over an hour to figure out how to buy the non-subscription/cloud version and instead find the link for the stand…

I hear good things about Bitwarden.

https://bitwarden.com/

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by sleepybrett »

movedx wrote: post #451
ekianjo wrote: post #383

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Keepass is zero.

And has zero native syncing functionality being presented by 1Password across every platform on the planet.

psst, for many of us 1password of old not having any native syncing functionality WAS A FEATURE.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by sleepybrett »

munchbunny wrote: post #369
FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I think removing the self-managed data store feature makes sense even if not everyone likes it. It removes a source of architectural complexity, and most users aren't looking for local storage anyway. Personally, the problem of managing reliable persistence of my password database just isn't something I want to spend time on, and the incremental difference in security posture is uninteresting to me given that it's en…

psst i'm not paying for the software to make their lives easier. I'm paying for the software for the features.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by sleepybrett »

RayVR wrote: post #453
kup0 wrote: post #343

I am a 1PW subscription user and am happy with the product (however, seeing they are moving to Electron means that is very subject to change...) but Saying that "customers voted with their wallet" and chose subscriptions is disingenous Ever since they've had subscriptions they've made the standalone license page extremely difficult to find on their site. They really didn't give regular users a "choice"- they dark-pat…

I purchased a 1Password license years ago. I knew when I bought it that major version upgrades were not included and my feeling was that I would rather have a subscription so I could just seamlessly upgrade when new versions arrived. Ever since they released the subscription option my upgrades have been very smooth and the features and improvements keep coming and I don't have to actively go and upgrade/purchase a li…

As a standalone user that uses dropbox sync. I have had 0 problems upgrading from 3.x all the way to 7.x.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by theNJR »

selykg wrote: post #127
evgen wrote: post #106

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Electron is a pile of shit and _every_ Electron app I am forced to use should be a source of continuous shame for any dev who actually worked on it. This has nothing to do with improving features or service and is completely about increasing revenue and improving the sort of numbers investors like to see -- driven entirely by the fact that AgileBits has recently closed a B round and needs to show more revenue to just…

Bitwarden and iCloud Keychain user here. I'm looking forward to the 2FA improvements in this year's macOS. It'll mean I could, in theory, mostly ditch Bitwarden as that's the big use case there for me. You can create a shortcut in the iOS shortcuts app to open the Passwords area of Settings via an icon on your Home Screen. Just open the following URL in the shortcut: prefs:root=PASSWORDS Best tip I have for you aroun…

Wow, you’re the real MVP here. Thank you.

For anyone who doesnt use shortcuts often, what you need to do in Shortcuts is:

1. Make a ‘URL’ action to prefs:root=PASSWORDS 2. Hit the ‘+’ and make a ‘Open URL’ action from safari.

Save, add to Home Screen, and you’re done.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by sleepybrett »

mirkules wrote: post #316
brianpan wrote: post #305

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> What ongoing development does a password manager have? I shutter to think about just trying to keep the status quo across all those platforms, devices, browser extensions. How often do we have new versions of iOS or macOS? What about Windows, Android, Linux, Chrome OS? I can think of a TON of work without adding a single feature.

Major releases of MacOS and iOS happen once a year. And most of the time they don’t break existing applications (iOS 12 notwithstanding). Almost everything from early iPhone OS to 12, and from 12 onwards worked ok, even with major resolution changes. And the fact that we need to constantly change stuff just for the sake of change is the problem. To add to this: I’m perfectly happy to pay a premium price for software…

Most of the time the software doesn't even need to change, you just need to open up xcode and recompile the project against a new ios sdk and you're done.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by sleepybrett »

mirkules wrote: post #501
brianpan wrote: post #450

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That's the point of this thread. YOU only need a new version every 3-4 years so you don't think there's any work any other time. But you take all those platforms and all those extensions and the result is maintenance by itself is constant work. I'm not talking about change for the sake of change. I'm talking about the work just to keep the features that you have. I have personal projects I'm working on where it feels…

You raise a valid point, and certainly then this product is not right for me due to their pricing and the features I’m paying for but never using (like Android and Ubuntu support). It comes down to what value it provides to me for what I need it to do, which is store and retrieve passwords for me, and sync via wlan. That’s it. Why should I continually pay for Android, Ubuntu or Windows development when I don’t use th…

Let's be super clear about 1passwords licensing too. It's per OS. I buy three clients every upgrade windows, ios and mac.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by sleepybrett »

jl_agilebits wrote: post #411
neon_electro wrote: post #394

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Hi, long-time user, customer, and word-of-mouth recommender of 1Password for the nine years my Hacker News account has been active (give or take a few months). This is a big announcement that I'll have to chew on to understand what this means. Can you quantify the "needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team" in some way? Presumably, 1Password 7 and its ancestors used native macOS AP…

> Can you quantify the "needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team" in some way? Sure, happy to elaborate on that! Since we were rebuilding our app from the ground up, it was a significant slow-down on development to create a user interface for both Electron and SwiftUI, requiring two separate teams of platform developers for every feature we needed to implement. There were also con…

Maybe I'm missing something, but i pay for those teams with my client purchases. I have a mixed computing environment and have purchased versions 3, 4, 5, 6 & 7 for three platforms.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mdaniel »

andrecarini wrote: post #423
gpanders wrote: post #314

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> But also, in such setup, the security benefit of 2FA/OTP codes are negligible at best since there are no conditions under which only one factor could be compromised without also having the other factor leaked (assuming you're using unique passwords for each identity, which is the entire point of a password manager). Phishing and good ole fashioned human error are two methods by which a password can be leaked withou…

In such a setup where the second factor is a TOTP I would count on the attacker being successful at phishing that too.

I previously thought that we were just having a difference of risk tolerance, but if you think some rando can _phish_ a TOTP secret, we are not even in the same universe of risk mitigation

> Hello, dear sir, this is the USA IRS and we are going to send the FBI because your TOTP code is expired and are going to put you in jail if you don... hello? hello?!

> Click this link and paste in your TOTP secret because we need to verify your identity: https://1passsword.com/2fa-verify/

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