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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by markdown »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #504
rjh29 wrote: post #199

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Reddit is still good, you're likely subscribing to popular subreddits. Don't subscribe to anything that appears in r/popular or r/all. Try subreddits that intentionally ban politics or have Part of what keeps Reddit free of such nastiness (in my experience at least) is the downvote button. Sure, it creates an echo chamber that ruins the popular subreddits, but on the smaller subreddits, it means that anything toxic,…

No, on smaller subreddits the downvote button also enforces conformity and a right opinion. You can be as polite as you can, as decent as a scholar, but if your opinion is wrong, you will get downvoted -- and once you get to minus 1, minus 2, chances are other people will downvote you, out of sheer reflex: opinion bad --> already in negative --> here, have another downvote. It's easier, a thousand times easier, to us…

On the small subreddits your comment will be seen whether or not it gets downvoted.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by romwell »

rvz wrote: post #503
markild wrote: post #495

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I don't have any skin in this game, but I think it's very sad to see that the conclusion being drawn from this discussion is that it's unprovoked hostility. I see disagreements and different values. I hope both parties in this discussion can disconnect the message from the person. Having discussions with people we disagree with about topics we see differently is in my honest opinion the way we get out of the "us vs t…

Right but how was that 'unprovoked hostility' ? How was disagreeing with someone with a reason being 'hostile' ? For the claims, I just used what they already admitted? All I wanted was evidence for their claims and that was it. Instead I got anecdotes, false equivalences in their arguments which is not substantiative. I also just asked a simple question, they couldn't even answer it. For the second question they did…

I really don't have to do that, but here goes nothing.

>Right but how was that 'unprovoked hostility'?

Hostility was saying that people "like me" are addicts to parasocial relationships.

Don't see how that's hostility? Exercise:

"People like rvz are "

>How was disagreeing with someone with a reason being 'hostile'?

You don't get to disagree about what I am (e.g. an addict), nor the kind of relationships I'm in. It's not up for discussion by you.

So I humbly ask you to cease.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by Graffur »

whoknowswhat11 wrote: post #425
ren_engineer wrote: post #312

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TikTok's algorithm is just pre 2017 YT and FB cranked up by 100X. For some reason the media hasn't gone after TikTok yet for pushing people into "echo chambers" but they basically just feed the most engaging content with no breaks on the train. I read an article about the parent company and they have one of the most popular news app in India as well despite none of the engineers being able to read what content is bei…

Despite this claim tiktok seems like it pushes some the least outrage machine type stuff. At least my feed is filled with interesting folks. HN is going down the road too now of the google is horrible, apple is horrible, facebook is horrible type headlines. I don't necessarily disagree - but... boring? Repetitive? There are never any positive suggestions any more (ie, here's how apple should screen for CASM). It's ju…

> Interesting folks

Mind posting some examples? I find it recommends lots of useless stuff. I know the rebuttal - it learns what you're interested in - but I can still tell you there are lots of vapid people and videos on it.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by romwell »

ridaj wrote: post #525
oblio wrote: post #517

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The thing is, I think it's more than fortune telling. The social media business model is very dirty, it's an addiction machine coupled with selling your data to the highest bidder. The end result will invariably be the same. It's like free image hosting or free file hosting. A "better", "cleaner" hoster appears and then they either go bankrupt or they sell out. Some stuff is just predictable at this point. Social med…

One thing to watch out for will be the treatment of divisive topics. It's eaten up so much of classic social media players because divisive content does well in terms of raw engagement, but it's not been my experience on TikTok. I wonder if there is explicit anti-divisiveness bias in the consumption experience.

I really like the comment you made, as it's constructive:

"I wonder what makes TikTok different from other social networks regarding divisiveness" is an interesting question that adds value to the discussion. It's an invitation to ponder, research, and share perspectives.

It differs from the ones before it:

"You like it now, but give it time, it will be bad just like the rest" is not a statement of the same kind. It's little more than dull cynicism.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by MrDresden »

jstummbillig wrote: post #518
rualca wrote: post #477

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> I care about the future, I don't care much for reading other people's Magic 8 Balls. Sorry but that assertion makes no sense at all. Caring about the future does not mean naive wishful thinking. Caring about the future means analysing the likely outcomes and act so that the best ones are the most likely outcomes and the worst ones are least likely. TikTok has a very clear and obvious attack surface. This attack sur…

However, you can make problems appear by pretending they do exist.

Can we perhaps agree that there is a possibility for things to go bad in the future (in regards to data collection and privacy), but that today we have no concrete evidence of it?

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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birdyrooster wrote: post #337
rchaud wrote: post #191

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It's also documented that Cambridge Analytica used data made available to it by Facebook to target millions with political propaganda. It wasn't just the US election, they had plenty of practice validating the strategy in elections in smaller countries. Where's the evidence that TT has been successfully used for nefarious purposes on a similar scale?

Think about how last summer Harvard discovered that Covid started in Wuhan back in August 2019 using satellite imagery and then overnight the focus became how to combat anti-Chinese sentiment (hate crimes had risen against Asian-Americans to levels seen earlier in the 2010s, still an order of magnitude less prevalent than hate crimes against American Blacks). TikTok was the principle platform leading that charge. Pre…

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by romwell »

random314 wrote: post #455
romwell wrote: post #404

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If that was the point, what's the point of stating that point? "The thing y'all enjoy now will be crap in a few years, get off my lawn?" I didn't come here for fortune-telling.

You might not care about the future. But others on this forum do.

>You might not care about the future. But others on this forum do.

See, at no point did I ever make claim about what other people here are, or claim to know how they feel or think.

But the implication just made regarding me and caring about the future is the kind of unprovoked hostility that I feel safe from on TikTok, but not here.

Whether I care about future, or cats, or fancy tea is not up for discussion.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by MrDresden »

I am genuinely happy for those who feel they have found a place online that has less doom, gloom and hatred then other corners of the internet.

For my part though, I am aware (and concerned) of the potential for social networks to use their troves of data for ML/NN training (see the Cambridge Analytica scandal).

What could the largest social video platform in the world with strong ties to a totalitarian regime do with their data, if they so wished?

Call me a cynic, but I do not believe that the potential for misuse will be left untouched. The allure of it is simply too strong.

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