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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by meibo »

kylemuir wrote: post #455
miroz wrote: post #329

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I did this when Vista came out. I said fuck it and installed Ubuntu, I had enough of Microsoft bullshit. Then Ubuntu upgraded and moved all window icons to the left side and rearranged them awkwardly. On the next update, they upgraded the sound subsystem and I was without sound until I bought my next PC. Another update came and computer went to sleep when watching movies, so I had to move the mouse every minute to fi…

I've been using Linux Mint for years now and really enjoy it. It looks good, works with most things out of the box and I've had minimal issues with it. It's a bloated distro since it tries to cater to most set ups and ships with drivers, etc that you might not need which will annoy the purists but for me the compatibility and things just working is more valuable. I only use it on a desktop PC so YMMV. These days I on…

On Mint, automatic updates started failing for me recently with an obscure error because the /boot partition had too many old kernels. I doubt my parents could have figured out that one.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by parsimo2010 »

Aerroon wrote: post #191
satysin wrote: post #94

So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

> * A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup I refuse. There better be easily accessible versions without this requirement.

There will certainly be a version available for offline installations. It won't be marketed toward consumers because offline access is now a "pro" feature they can charge extra for. It will be given to deep pocketed organizations that say "we use air gapped computers and have money to burn."

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

cuddlybacon wrote: post #478
cunthorpe wrote: post #138

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It doesn’t? Because I think it’s easier to throw the cursor at the absolute corner of the screen and click rather than have to carefully select a button somewhere along the X axis. Just a thought, I’m a macOS user myself.

Moving to the corner requires a swipe, pickup, and swipe. Moving the mouse to the bottom can be done in a single swipe.

Or just press the windows key on the keyboard. It’s amazing how many people on windows use the mouse as the only ui input. After years of working with a mac and linux, I get cramps in my hand when working with mouse for too long.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by akagusu »

Windows is extremely hostile to user's privacy, usability, and anything else you can imagine.

Microsoft has extremely hostile business practices for both consumers and competitors and yet nobody cares.

All Microsoft needs to do is to show a nice list of features nobody asked for even if you are forced to upgrade your machine because high minimum requirements.

This is the world we live.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by jtolmar »

falcrist wrote: post #514
tryptophan wrote: post #382

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I tried Linux mint recently and was impressed. My parents seem to use it without issue. As long as you don’t game, need to use office or some other windoze software it seems like a viable choice.

As recently as a decade ago, Linux was borderline unusable for a home computer. Lots of driver problems. Lack of software. In contrast to Apple's OSs (and increasingly Windows) which assumes you don't know what you're doing, Linux as a whole basically assumes you already know everything you need to know about what you're doing. Fixing a display issue could be a whole adventure , complete with side-quests as you worke…

> As recently as a decade ago, Linux was borderline unusable for a home computer. Lots of driver problems. Lack of software. [...] Linux as a whole basically assumes you already know everything you need to know about what you're doing.

This really doesn't match my experiences at all. Using Linux in 2008 was essentially the same as using Windows. I got my parents using Ubuntu in 2010 without complaints.

Instead of the "you have to know what you're doing" line that's been around for 30 years, I think the situation has been more "80% of the installs works perfectly" for a long time. But if you get hit by that 20%, from a driver issue or whatever, then expect a few days of debugging followed by constant hassles for the life of that machine.

And yeah, a lot of niche professional programs are Windows-only, so if you need them you're stuck. And gaming on Linux has been getting better, but only the chart-toppers and obscure indie games have actual Linux support with any regularity, with anything between those extremes rarely having any support.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by dragonwriter »

cuddlybacon wrote: post #478
cunthorpe wrote: post #138

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It doesn’t? Because I think it’s easier to throw the cursor at the absolute corner of the screen and click rather than have to carefully select a button somewhere along the X axis. Just a thought, I’m a macOS user myself.

Moving to the corner requires a swipe, pickup, and swipe. Moving the mouse to the bottom can be done in a single swipe.

> Moving to the corner requires a swipe, pickup, and swipe

I've got an ultrawide and it doesn't require that at all; moving the start menu to the center to compensate for bad mouse speed settings is like reducing display resolution to compensate for bad text/icon size settings.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by userbinator »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #428
userbinator wrote: post #395

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Hopefully once it's actually usable, which might be a long time away --- the last I looked, it didn't even support dependencies or uninstalling...

Well, I guess you haven't looked recently.

https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli/blob/master/doc/wind...

Uninstallation is now "experimental", and dependency support is still missing. The latter is what I'd consider a core functionality of a package manager, so my original comment stands.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by tasogare »

wtallis wrote: post #454
k12sosse wrote: post #424

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Version parity with competitors. It's stupid but a thing. At least they didn't straight up call it Windows X.

It was less about version parity with Apple and more about avoiding bugs in applications that would have mistaken a Windows 9 for a member of the 95/98/98SE family.

That's the technical excuse they come with afterwards. The fact is while Mac Os was stuck in version X (ten), Microsoft decided to make a perpetual Windows 10 version. Now that Apple moved up to 11 and now 12, Windows is moving to 11 too. That's a big "coincidence"...

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by noobermin »

Aerroon wrote: post #191
satysin wrote: post #94

So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

> * A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup I refuse. There better be easily accessible versions without this requirement.

All the anti-linux comments from people who tried it 15 years ago talking about how windows "just works" not looking so justified now. Thankful I use linux today. While linux has issues this in particular is one thing I don't have to worry about.
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