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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by vectorcrumb »

ngokevin wrote: post #490
jacob2484 wrote: post #456

Quite the arrogance here of mostly software devs trying to out -solutionize marine/shipping experts who undoubtedly have been consulted and are already looking for the quickest way to resolve the situation. With billions of dollars in stake, I'm sure even the most expensive experts are involved.

Better than the coronavirus takes I've seen from software devs...

Like that guy who wrote a blog post about not waiting around after taking a COVID vaccine because it's a much greater risk than checking for an allergic reaction?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by failwhaleshark »

blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

They need to give that canal some serious laxatives to flush that ship out. ;-]

But seriously, it looks like dredging or a king tide will be needed to get that ship flushed out of there.

Btw, it takes roughly 9-10 additional days to navigate a ship around the horn so ships would be better off steaming the long way around if time is critical.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by OldHand2018 »

wongarsu wrote: post #332
rapnie wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the middle parts of the ship it is probably not grounded, so you might have ropes below the hull with large inflatable balloons on both sides below water level, to give the ship extra lift. Then on a high tide, with oil & water removed, maybe some dredging on the sides where it needs to rotate to, and.. go!

Maybe something like those air/water tanks they attached to the side of the Costa Concordia to float it [1]. But you would have to take great care to prevent it from rolling over, so you probably can't lift it up too far. 1: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28288823

Just so everyone is clear: The company that handled the salvaging of the Costa Concordia is the company that is handling the salvaging of this ship. Same exact people! You can bet that they are going to be doing the best thing that can be done.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by sjg007 »

atdt wrote: post #174
adflux wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Love the armchair engineers who think they're gonna solve this better than billion dollar companies

It's a way of thinking out loud and providing an opening for someone more knowledgeable to explain what is being overlooked. It makes for interesting threads.

This is how every post and comment works on HN.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by failwhaleshark »

01100011 wrote: post #169
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Could you build a temporary barrier around the ship and the section of the canal, bring in some massive pumps, and temporarily raise the water level around the ship? Edit: Something like this https://www.hydrologicalsolutions.com/aqua-barrier-cofferdam...

That would take weeks-to-months. It's faster to dredge around it with a mobile barge.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by maxerickson »

Aperocky wrote: post #525
eternalban wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Egypt is bleeding money right now. It earned roughly USD 15,360,000.00/day from Suez passage fees in 2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal_Authority#Revenues

Wow, costs $300K to transit through the canal per ship by fee alone? That is capital intensive. It's amazing that more ships are not simply sailing around Africa.

Their daily operating costs are a significant fraction of the $300,000 and it saves a couple weeks.

(tens of thousands of dollars just for fuel each day)

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by [deleted] »

xg15 wrote: post #516
dragontamer wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then how do you clean up 220,000 tons of debris? Turns out: the container ship __itself__ is the easiest way to move all of that debris out. And its already packed and loaded.

I mean, the 220,000 tons of debris are at least not a single solid object - so maybe they'd be moved by the current (if there is any) or could be pushed to the sides by smaller vessels. Then the actual cleanup can happen while the canal is already back in operation. > the container ship __itself__ is the easiest way to move all of that debris out. Well, evidently not if it is stuck.

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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by mynameishere »

jacob2484 wrote: post #456

Quite the arrogance here of mostly software devs trying to out -solutionize marine/shipping experts who undoubtedly have been consulted and are already looking for the quickest way to resolve the situation. With billions of dollars in stake, I'm sure even the most expensive experts are involved.

Is it totally implausible that ordinary intelligent people might have some ideas better than "put some tug boats on one end, and a single backhoe on the other end"? Because that's what your expensive experts have come up with so far.

For my brilliant idea: Announce that everything on the ship is free, including the ship itself, and watch all the ragamuffins of Egypt strip it to nothing in a day.

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