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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by pseudalopex »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #527
pseudalopex wrote: post #511

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20% is how many boys that age were ever diagnosed with ADHD. 89% of children ever diagnosed have a current diagnosis. Only 62% of children with a current diagnosis take any medication.[1] So much fewer than 20% take a specific medication probably. Almost 40% of boys that age need vision correction.[2] [1] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15374416.2017.1... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6644…

Which are absolutely insane numbers compared to very similar societies all around the world. I doubt there is some sort of truly unique illness doing rounds only in America.

America isn't an extreme outlier. And most of the variation around the world can be explained by different diagnostic criteria.[1] Look for numbers around the world to jump as countries adopt ICD-11.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1994964/

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by DobryMorozov »

wisty wrote: post #385

Meta comment, a lot of comments here are not as measured, accurate, or carefully worded as the Damore "memo". Damore was sacked for his memo. Well, arguably he was sacked for people (at his workplace, using company resources and time) making disingenuous and vicious attacks on him (often misrepresented what he actually said), far less accurate or polite or measured than anything Damore said, creating enough of an int…

Damore lost credibility in my eyes when he lied about being chess national master. Such a bold and egregious lie

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Post by muskox2 »

steverb wrote: post #529
hn8788 wrote: post #83

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That's even a common trope in sitcoms. The husband is a loveable but bumbling idiot, while his wife is the voice of reason who frequently needs to save him from his own bad decisions. I wonder if the shows are imitating life, or the other way around. My wife did her master's thesis on discrimination based on communication, and in her research she found a study showing that the constant depiction of people with a sout…

I spent some serious time as teenager training myself out of my southern accent for this reason. You could have a PHD in Astrophysics, but if you speak with a southern accent people will assume you're an idiot. The only downside, is that I have a slight speech impediment, but it's mild enough that most people don't notice. And for some reason I still (25 years later) tend to pronounce hill as "heel".

Haha, I love having a southern accent for this reason. It makes it very hard for one to sound pretentious.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by muskox2 »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #429
throwgender123 wrote: post #212

I've noticed throughout my life that negative outcomes that primarily affect females (math test scores, wage gap, etc) are Huge Problems That Demand Immediate Action, and negative outcomes that primarily affect males (language test scores, life expectancy gap) are just kind of how it is. I'm not bitching about it or pushing an agenda, but it's not subtle.

Eh, I think it will average out eventually. New political currents hate ambiguity and nuance. If you're trying to motivate people to rise up against the Empire, the last thing you want to hear is people saying "Okay, but some imperial officers are actually good people, and this Saw Guerrera is a sadistic monster", even though both are true. Eventually, once the Rebellion becomes widespread enough, people start saying…

I think what happens in real life is the rebellion quickly becomes an empire, with it's own set of horrible things. Then you need a new rebellion... And so on...

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by kamaal »

twgp123 wrote: post #180

Throwaway because this is one of the data points you are required to ignore in polite society. Girls receive better grades until you blind the teachers. Teachers are biased in favor of girls, maybe because their behavior is better. The effect of biased grading is enormous and a huge disadvantage to our boys. > Gender-biased grading accounts for 21 percent of boys falling behind girls in math during middle school. [1]…

>>Girls receive better grades until you blind the teachers. Teachers are biased in favor of girls, maybe because their behavior is better.

In my country(India) we have board exams, where people evaluating and candidates are both anonymous to each other. People don't write their names, but use a number.

Still Girls do better. Let's just agree girls are better at academic work.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by kamaal »

throwaway53086 wrote: post #31

Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

>>Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better.

This hypothesis fails when applied to militaries. Throughout history men have near 100% representation in militaries and wars. Where discipline and following rules is more seriously enforced.

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Post by Dma54rhs »

pseudalopex wrote: post #531
Dma54rhs wrote: post #527

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Which are absolutely insane numbers compared to very similar societies all around the world. I doubt there is some sort of truly unique illness doing rounds only in America.

America isn't an extreme outlier. And most of the variation around the world can be explained by different diagnostic criteria.[1] Look for numbers around the world to jump as countries adopt ICD-11. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1994964/

84% of total world wide ADHD meds are eaten in the USA. There is a difference between identifying symptoms and thinking stimulants are the answer or just not paying any attention. Just like in Europe the medical consensus is that people have to learn to live with pain rather eating oxy's. It doesnt meant the doctors pain didn't exist in their patients.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6261411/

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Post by tropdrop »

throwaway53086 wrote: post #31

Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

> It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females than males.

Public School Education in the US is not a hotbed of innovation – we are largely riding on the coattails of a system constructed by men, no? Women may have filled these positions, but the system was largely constructed circa the Industrial revolution (and the tertiary education system with its initial origins in monasteries).

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Post by harrierpigeon »

ScoobleDoodle wrote: post #490
chewxy wrote: post #483

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Runnning around does not make a child with ADHD more sedate or perform better in the classroom. "Just go do some exercise" is like telling depressed people to "just cheer up". Yes, exercise definitely helps. But it doesn't make one's mind less noisy internally. Buddhists talk of monkey minds. ADHD is like having a zoo of minds. This anti-medication bias is causing a lot of stigma in society for children who actually…

My understanding of the parent and grandparent comments are that they are lamenting that boys are being diagnosed and/or dosed with ADHD medication just because they aren't given time and space to work out their energy. So schools and society are dealing with fidgety unfocused boys by giving them false diagnosis and inappropriate medication. This is all distinct from people who actually really have ADHD and in which…

I have properly clinically diagnosed ADHD- for me in HS there was a definite correlation between time spent exercising and grades- when the sports season ended, there was almost always a dip in my grades from tests and the like two weeks later. Call it anecdata if you will, but there's got to be at least some sort of correlation between exercise and mental state- I doubt it's just a thing for people with ADHD, either.

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

chlodwig wrote: post #289
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #236

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>Having Babies. Really, being a mother is what skews most stats about women on money issues. There has been policymaking about this in a bunch of european countries, and if they are released from financial constrains (handouts, public housing, whatever) they seem to double down on it. Curious as to what you mean by 'doubling down on it'? You're not wrong in your statement that having kids kills the career of many wom…

Why don't we have universal daycare / preK? How about increasing the tax credit that goes to all parent, regardless of they choose to do childcare? Maybe for some parents that would be enough that one parent could quit their job and finally have the joy of spending more of their time with their own kid. I don't see why we should subsidize institutional childcare over other forms of caring for the very young.

as a parent I think parents should have to pay more taxes, and it should go up per child.
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