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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by pbourke »

pcmoney wrote: post #449

If people on an app continually call for violence and violate your TOS you can boot them off. Especially if the app in question has no good faith moderation of content to meet your terms of service and their terms of service are either lacking or wink wink levels of enforcement. You can have ANY political perspective you want! Lower taxes, raise taxes, immigration policy, school choice, charter schools WHATEVER! You…

> The market has judged that “pro violence” speech is to be de-monetized.

“The market” seems to reach this conclusion en masse immediately after it’s clear that the political and regulatory winds have changed.

I don’t know much about Parler, and for the record am about as opposed to Donald Trump and his supporters as one can be. I view these moves by tech companies quite cynically.

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Post by bgorman »

For anyone interested here is the Parlor CEOs “parlor tweet” about this:

Sunday (tomorrow) at midnight Amazon will be shutting off all of our servers in an attempt to completely remove free speech off the internet. There is the possibility Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch. We prepared for events like this by never relying on amazons proprietary infrastructure and building bare metal products.

We will try our best to move to a new provider right now as we have many competing for our business, however Amazon, Google and Apple purposefully did this as a coordinated effort knowing our options would be limited and knowing this would inflict the most damage right as President Trump was banned from the tech companies.

This was a coordinated attack by the tech giants to kill competition in the market place. We were too successful too fast. You can expect the war on competition and free speech to continue, but don’t count us out.

#speakfreely https://parler.com/post/009ba435b68c46d4955e1cd7737fa27c

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Post by godmode2019 »

We are all smart people no? Can we not see what's going on, Twitter in their early days was very proud they started civil wars in the Arab spring.

This is clearly a power move to block competition, all places on the internet where many people group together start out as trash. Content moderation is only possible when you have network effects that people can't leave. Its similar to not putting ads on your new trending startup.

Moderation will now be used to block all new social media startups because you can not bootstrap moderation.

I'm very concerned what is happening. These companies have far too much power.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by therealbilly »

Dr. Goebbels is alive and well inside these tech firms. His tactics are being dusted off, updated and put into action. You say it doesn't bother you, but tomorrow or a little down the road, you may wake up and find you don't have a voice either. What happened at the Congress was unfortunate, but I don't think the Horn Man was going to overthrow the government, or that idiot sitting in Pelosi's chair.

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Post by tomjakubowski »

zelly wrote: post #386

Hypothetically, how would you go about staying online completely independently? Let's say you build your own data center, buy the real estate (because a landlord could be pressured to cancel your lease), purchase all the network equipment, and hire your own full-time employees. You still need to lease an IP block and a fiber connection from a carrier (like AT&T, Century Link, etc.). Couldn't they deplatform you too?…

> the local electric and water companies are not allowed to turn off your service as long as you are paying the bill.

Public utilities are required to guarantee service as a condition of the monopoly granted them by the state. The server hosting market isn't a monopoly at all, let alone one mandated by the state.

Maybe your point does stand at the ISP level. It probably should since in most places there are just a couple of them, and Internet access is close enough to essential today.

https://www.nclc.org/images/pdf/older_consumers/consumer_fac...

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Post by nova22033 »

seneca wrote: post #416

Everyone saying they deserve it for "facilitating attacks on the US government", ask yourself if you believe Antifa should be kicked off of every platform they exist on for burning police stations. This is hypocrisy. Far too much of modern tech is held by companies happy to use it as a political weapon, and all for one side. I'm disgusted by the people who populate Parler, but I'm actually afraid of these tech author…

Does antifa have a social network hosted on AWS?

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Post by jahewson »

bgorman wrote: post #479

Did anyone here actually use Parler? I installed it, and as a new user the default experience is basically a Twitter clone, but with only prominent right wing celebrities like Sean Hannitty. I didn’t see any hateful trending topics here. My personal opinion is that it seems Parler is getting somewhat screwed here. Sure, maybe there was some hateful content somewhere, but it certainly wasn’t being promoted to new user…

Sounds like you conducted a thorough investigation!

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by salimmadjd »

Anyone looked at the three sample complaints?

7 upvotes, 2 upvotes, 5 upvotes.

For context, the post (I'm guessing he is a co-founder or some senior person at Parler) John Matze has 34,000 upvotes. These posts seem like bad or manufactured examples.

What prevents a competitor from sending a few people to post these things to eliminate competition?

Or worse. Who remembers Knew Knowledge faking Russian bots to smear a candidate as being backed by Russia? [1]

I write this as a muslim American. In my youth having a seasonal job in a well-known resort. I had a local guy come to me, called me a "camel jockey", "towel head" and told me if he sees me in the parking lot he'll take out his 357 and put one in my head. So I have faced some nasty racism. That said, I don't agree with Amazon removing Parler on the basis of these flimsy evidence.

[1] https://siliconangle.com/2018/12/26/reid-hoffman-apologizes-...

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Post by supertrope »

quyleanh wrote: post #239

> If Apple, Google, Facebook and Twitter were acting in concert to raise prices, everyone would be up in arms. But acting in concert to repress speech, no big deal. Aren’t civil liberties supposed to be more important than money? [1] [1] - https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1347961063707471873

The tech megacorps don't want another attempted coup d'etat to be promoted on their services in the next 10 days. A republic without strong institutions, responsible leaders, and a citizenry who truly believe in democratic values is just words on paper. Many republics just end when one person or tribe amasses too much power and then exploits an opportunity to seize absolute control.
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