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Signal, that's another one that requires your phone number? Yeah, thanks but no thanks.
Don't they all? But good news is that they have pushed code to allow for usernames (or not even that). It isn't open to the public (or beta) yet, but it looks like the feature is going to be released fairly soon.
I am a heavy advocate of privacy and the main driving factor for these conversations in my friend/family circle. Trying to get people to a different platform since 2 years now (they did and came back), so now I wonder if I am just wasting time really for a apocalypse that was never going to happen.
Edit: Just did a comparison of all the data collected by Whatsapp, Signal and Telegram
Telegram - https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/telegram-messenger/id686449807 WhatApp - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/whatsapp-messenger/id310633997 Signal - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/signal-private-messenger/id874...
WhatApp collect a stupid amount of data. Its time for me to shift.
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So what should self sentient person do, just lie down and accept the erosions of our blood won freedoms? No thanks. I have right now all my company talking to thousands of customers explaining this mess to them and helping those who need to switch to Signal. So yeah, fuck you FB!
Signal is no better. You fell into one marketing trap with WhatsApp and have now fallen for another. Signal is another private entity with complete control of the servers and end client binaries. The fact they happen to open source the code is kind of moot since no services are allowed to write alternative implementations, no one can run their own servers or prove what code is running on Signals servers, nor can anyo…
I thought Signal was open source, and the distributed binaries matched the source, and that is was allowed to run your own servers. Are the servers even open source?
Are there lirerature regarding the technical/conceptional bits Element/Matrix? What is the tradeoff there?
I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
IMO telegram has the best feature and usability parity as Whatsapp.. As for converting people who are not that interested, I can tell you from experience talking about privacy generally doesn't sell it.
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Signal, that's another one that requires your phone number? Yeah, thanks but no thanks.
Don't they all? But good news is that they have pushed code to allow for usernames (or not even that). It isn't open to the public (or beta) yet, but it looks like the feature is going to be released fairly soon.
That's my point. I hate systems that require a phone number, as they usually mean that I have a substandard experience when I'm not on my phone and I can't sign my children up so that we have a general chat tool.
The only option ends up being massively over the top team style chats like Rocketchat, Mattermost, Discord, or Slack. So we end up back on Hangouts.
A bit shit for general family conversation.
[Edit] If they do allow signing up/in with a username then I'll probably be all over it. That would be awesome news.
I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
How's signal different? It's also in the same position as whatsapp was a few years ago. For the time being it may be better, but surely it is not a long-term alternative?
I am in the EU, and this is what I have been presented with: „ By tapping Agree, you accept the new terms, which take effect on February 8, 2021. After this date, you’ll need to accept the new terms to continue using WhatsApp. You can also visit the Help Center if you would prefer to delete your account and would like more information. To learn more about how WhatsApp processes your data, read our updated privacy pol…
So you are going to move from one centralized, walled garden, privacy hostile platform that hard requires Google/Apple ecosystems to get signed updates... to another with identical drawbacks. I suggest something that lets you use any client/platform you want, uses the same crypto primitives, and lets you choose what server/country your data is hosted in and change your mind any time, e.g Matrix. How many times do cen…
I'm in the EU. WhatsApp showed me a screen about new term of service right now. There were two buttons, Agree and Not Now. I tapped Not Now, it kept working.
I'm in the EU and clicked agree before I realised the implications. Now I want to withdraw my consent, but there doesn't seem to be a way to do this. Am I overlooking something or is that not possible (which would violate GDPR)?
GDPR allows processing of data under various legal bases. They use consent (opt-in) only for things like accessing your camera. For sharing data with other Facebook services, they rely on a "legitimate interest" (opt-out) instead. In theory, you might be able to object to processing under a legitimate interest, but they make it rather cumbersome. Which processing activities they perform under which legal basis is actually well-explained in the privacy policy, if you manage to find the correct section (it has a rather labyrinthine structure).