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Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by ufmace »

eecc wrote: post #171
xiphias2 wrote: post #147

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You change it by going for the weakest point in a peaceful way under the radar. I believe it's Bitcoin, which is a silent, non-violent libertarian protest against the whole central banking system that produces huge powers, but I know that I am in the minority.

Well, I can’t help questioning the “non-violent” part: it takes incredible amounts of energy to maintain that is quite literally taken away from other - possibly more helpful at social scale - purposes.

Uhhh I'm not particularly a fan of Bitcoin, but implying that this is anything like violence is absurd. I gotta go against the trend of anything you don't like that could conceivably lead to somebody being harmed somehow is the same thing as actual violence.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by oauea »

saagarjha wrote: post #497
ben0x539 wrote: post #482

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I think this is the weakest argument? Selective enforcement of rules is a time-honored tradition and seems to be explicitly reserved as the right of the rules-enforcer everywhere. It might be a good argument in a hypothetical debate about the fairness and compassion displayed by Apple, but I don't think you'd get far with it convincing either Apple itself or even a court if one somehow was interested.

It’s a weak argument because Tim Cook has personally testified in from of Congress that the rules are not selectively enforced.

Also known as lying. It is blatantly obvious that Apple selectively enforces their policies. Anyone who has ever published multiple apps on the app store knows this.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by AsyncAwait »

0xEFF wrote: post #359
webmobdev wrote: post #266

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> My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. Apple will definitely appreciate it if all of us would just shut up and let them screw us. While I appreciate your well-meaning advise to the author - pick your battles in life carefully - I'd like to add that using your anger constructively at some injustice is a positive move to…

Do you expect to see a box on a shelf of any retail store labeled, “Amphetamine” with a colorful picture of drugs? It’s entirely reasonable for the retail store to tell the vendor to rename the product or else it will be removed from the shelf.

Apple themselves have featured this app[1], which feels like they endorsed it before.

1 - https://apps.apple.com/us/story/id1470456860

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by oauea »

sbarre wrote: post #356
webmobdev wrote: post #298

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But do you believe Apple should be the ultimate arbitrator of such silly things like the name of an app you create?

In their environment that they clearly indicate is their environment from the outset? Yes.. They are not telling the author they can't call his app whatever they want. They are saying they will not sell it in their app store under that name. And that's the bargain you enter into when you sell in a walled garden ecosystem.

They are also doing everything they can to block people from distributing apps outside of their walled garden.

So they are in fact telling the author that he can't call his app whatever he wants. Because if he does, they will do everything they can to prevent anyone else from ever using that app.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by AsyncAwait »

zepto wrote: post #326
AsyncAwait wrote: post #244

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> implying Apple is uniquely evil. It's not that they're uniquely evil, rather that they don't have the moral authority to lecture.

Who are they lecturing on what?

App developers on what names are 'inappropriate', if you will.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by JKCalhoun »

smolder wrote: post #504
JKCalhoun wrote: post #433

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HOA for thee, not for me. That's my take. If I want to practice drums in my garage the neighbors can go pound sand. But when a neighbor decides to park their truck in their yard I'm all for HOAs.

These are probably just examples but I'm firmly in the no-HOA crowd. If my home owning neighbor with a yard wants to park a truck in their yard I really don't care, and I abhor any organization that punishes someone for that. They could have a perfectly good reason to park it there. I've had former neighbors yell at me for fixing my car in my own driveway which makes no sense whatsoever except perhaps to privileged e…

I think I'm with you as well.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by yongjik »

mbreese wrote: post #405
wincy wrote: post #229

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I know a very intelligent software engineer who told me he had never used Exercism (despite him using other similar tools) simply because he’s a practicing Catholic and thought the name to be in poor taste. You definitely alienate people at the fringes by naming things something even slightly risqué.

You could argue that this is also why we now have system services instead of daemons.

Twenty-something years ago, I've seen some Christians legit freaking out on Netscape's Book of Mozilla[1] easter egg.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mozilla

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by throw0101a »

webmobdev wrote: post #510
gambiting wrote: post #382

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No, because at a retail store the expectation is that if I see a box labeled "amphetamine" it better contain actual amphetamine. Obviously that's not acceptable, so it's not going to happen. When I buy software, I certainly don't expect to get drugs. When I buy a game called "Surgeon Simulator" I don't expect to receive actual surgeon training any more than I expect to get amphetamine after getting an app called amph…

Good point. And the App Store is not a retail store - developers PAY THEM to distribute their wares. They are Apple's customers too!

> developers PAY THEM to distribute their wares. They are Apple's customers too!

See stocking fees in physical retail stores:

* https://financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/loblaw-follo...

* https://www.canadiangrocer.com/top-stories/headlines/loblaw-...

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by zepto »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #535
zepto wrote: post #326

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Who are they lecturing on what?

App developers on what names are 'inappropriate', if you will.

I see that they made a commercial decision. I don’t see any moralizing or lecturing.

Is there somewhere they are saying the name is morally wrong?

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