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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

sam_goody wrote: post #484
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

The POTUS has made claims that need to be thought about rationally. Does the tech world really think that electronic voting is reliable when done the way Dominion did it? Is there is a rational explanation when votes jump from one candidate to another on live public TV? Are there too many acceptable mail in votes to make sense? Etc. The conclusion for someone who does the research may be that things are OK, that all…

> The POTUS has made claims that need to be thought about rationally.

The POTUS's claims are neither true nor rational, and yet they are prominent. We need to think about that rationally.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by Analemma_ »

liopleurodon wrote: post #519
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

lol. you're brainwashed if you believe the lies of the legacy media. this election was stolen. there's so much evidence. video evidence, affidavits, forensic evidence of voting machines, proof of tens of thousands of underage people voting, and so much more. Pennsylvania: 1.8 million ballots mailed out, 2.5 million ballots received. Hello? Trump won and Biden stole it.

It's amazing that the evidence is so obvious, and yet none of Trump's lawyers cited it in any of their multiple lawsuits, where they would be jailed for perjury if they were lying.

Almost as if it isn't actually true.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by WhompingWindows »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

Would you prefer:

1) YT and Google employees watching over us OR

2) the Koch Brothers, paid actors from Russia and Saudi and hyper-partisan US groups, etc. all flooding our information platforms with trash and noise, completely UNCHECKED, in the name of "freedom"?

I think there's solid evidence that option 2 is terrible for us, the USA has had a disastrous COVID response, for instance. Meanwhile, we haven't really tried option 1, we are just at the beginning of this censorship of trash information.

In general, I find many talking of "freedom" in US history are using it as a shield to ignore sticky issues and allow bad solutions to reign...freedom to own slaves, freedom to expand wherever and kill any natives there, freedom of pollution, freedom of marketing with harmful lies...freedom is an over-used and intellectually lazy concept.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by Gunax »

feoren wrote: post #466
macspoofing wrote: post #4

For God's sakes ... What underpins this need for social media companies to virtue signal about protecting 'election integrity' is the false notion that 2016 was stolen from Hillary by the Russians - a claim that had no evidential support (and no, that some trolls bought a minuscule amount of Facebook ads does not raise this claim to that level) but the entire Democratic party, with media allies, promulgated for the l…

It's weird to me that we still have people that still cling to the idea that censorship and curation of content is always evil and every site on the Internet should allow completely unmoderated speech, when we've seen over and over and over that such sites always devolve into festering echo-chambers of hatred and racism. Always. Every time. Not only are you conveniently ignoring that reality, but you're also ignoring…

And who determines what is true? Do I get to censor Obama when he claimed 'if you like your healthcare, you can keep it' (rated 'lie of the year' by politifact btw)?

When you start down this path, you will quickly find yourself amongst a nest of vipers.

You're comparing falsehoods with hate and racism--I don't think that's a fair comparison. YouTube has always had rules around hate speech, and that generally has not been controversial.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by goshx »

liopleurodon wrote: post #519
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

lol. you're brainwashed if you believe the lies of the legacy media. this election was stolen. there's so much evidence. video evidence, affidavits, forensic evidence of voting machines, proof of tens of thousands of underage people voting, and so much more. Pennsylvania: 1.8 million ballots mailed out, 2.5 million ballots received. Hello? Trump won and Biden stole it.

ah yes, look at all the court cases that Trump's legal team has won and all the evidence they presented. And you call someone else brainwashed, holly fuck.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by dilap »

jaccarmac wrote: post #459
dukeofdoom wrote: post #420

If we don't have a meaningful signature match, than we don't have a meaningful way to prevent fraud with mail in ballots. Period. Bad ballot Rejection rate of 6% in previous election to now 0.02%, with mail in ballots. Mismatched signatures resulted in a rejection for only 0.02% of all absentee ballots cast. How is that even possible. They counted almost everything. For those of you that think its unfair to reject ba…

> If we don't have a meaningful signature match, than we don't have a meaningful way to prevent fraud with mail in ballots. Period. We can check for duplicate votes. Submitting fraudulent ballots in quantities necessary to change the results while avoiding submitting duplicate ballots (which would be caught, as we saw with the Jill Stokke) would require either: 1. Extremely good data about who had voted and who had n…

I don't think it's that hard if you harvest ballots from places unlikely to vote, e.g., nursing homes.

My understanding is the following two facts are true

- Georgia has a historically low mail-in ballot rejection rate

- Georgia is not allowing an independent review of the signatures on the envelopes

That alone in my mind is an extremely strong reason to be suspicious of the results.

Not to even mention the very-strange goings-on in the State Farm Arena in Atlanta...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by throwawaay73h »

The United States has been geopolitically blessed. No country has seriously threatened the American heartland since 1812.

Bringing up foreign interference (in elections, Covid-denial and elsewhere) upsets certain factions, but the fact is that Facebook, Twitter, various commenting platforms and YouTube have allowed the enemies of the United States a direct route into the heartland of the US. Coupled with free speech absolutism and low touch regulation, it makes a tempting vector to disrupt a previously impregnable foe.

If I were a strategist for a rival power, it would be almost criminally negligent to not exploit this conduit into the American heartland, and spread disinformation and generally sow chaos.

It looks like the geek gods have finally realized this and are pushing back. It wouldn’t surprise me if US companies started severely curtailing anonymous/unverified speech for foreign accounts at least.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by carapace »

djsumdog wrote: post #52
quotemstr wrote: post #20

This policy is wicked and wrong. There are no other words for this policy. YouTube is deciding what of true and enforcing its perspective on the rest of the population. And you know it won't stop here. From now on, every time a controversy emerges between the media-tech-academia elite view of the world and the views of regular people, tech will use hard censorship to enforce the elite perspective. There is no natural…

They are the ministry of truth that Orwell warned about. It's not government, it's the combination of government and corporate interests.

Y'all should read "Manufacturing Consent" (to me it seems like a lot of folks in this thread haven't read it):

"Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media" is a 1988 book by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky arguing that the mass communication media of the U.S. "are effective and powerful ideological institutions that carry out a system-supportive propaganda function, by reliance on market forces, internalized assumptions, and self-censorship, and without overt coercion", by means of the propaganda model of communication.[1] The title refers to consent of the governed, and derives from the phrase "the manufacture of consent" used by Walter Lippmann in Public Opinion (1922).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

What we're seeing is the system reasserting itself.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by Thaxll »

sam_goody wrote: post #484
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

The POTUS has made claims that need to be thought about rationally. Does the tech world really think that electronic voting is reliable when done the way Dominion did it? Is there is a rational explanation when votes jump from one candidate to another on live public TV? Are there too many acceptable mail in votes to make sense? Etc. The conclusion for someone who does the research may be that things are OK, that all…

There will always be fraud going on in every election, in every country. It's just stupid to think otherwise, now the question is to what extend and would it have changed the outcome. The answer is obvious.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by tootie »

sam_goody wrote: post #484
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

The POTUS has made claims that need to be thought about rationally. Does the tech world really think that electronic voting is reliable when done the way Dominion did it? Is there is a rational explanation when votes jump from one candidate to another on live public TV? Are there too many acceptable mail in votes to make sense? Etc. The conclusion for someone who does the research may be that things are OK, that all…

Then how is it that election security was backburnered his entire term? And his accusations aren't that "voting machines may be vulnerable" which is at least defensible, but rather that "Voting machines were deliberately configured to flip votes for Biden based on a planned conspiracy involving the manufacturers, democrats and multiple foreign governments" which is utterly ludicrous and deserves nothing but scorn.
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