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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by jbergstroem »

submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

I discovered this by running unbound – a DNS server – locally (block some unwanted hosts and do dns over TLS). I guess the rest of the story is pretty obvious; having your default dns server not being able to resolve because you're trying to verify it – since you cannot resolve your verify hostname – is obviously Not Great. As you can imagine, there is no waiting in the world that fixes this. I couldn't kill (-9) the process either; had to reboot into safe mode, rename the binary and switch the default dns on the network.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by jonnycomputer »

About 4 hours ago my Mac crawled to a stop. I rebooted, but it remained incredibly sluggish, uncharacteristically so. This definitely was not normal operation (and I use this many hours daily). Then about 1/2 hour later, it began to operate normally again.

But I'm running Mojave.

So ... huh.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by areoform »

submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952

And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple is the sole decider of what we get to use on our computers.

Of course Apple's Craig Federighi assures us that the people making such assertions are "tools" (https://youtu.be/Hg9F1Qjv3iU?t=3177 , timestamp 53:33) and they have no intention whatsoever of taking away our ability to do general compute on the machines we buy and own.

Except...

Apple can already decide what binaries you can execute. Should they choose to.

Apple is now restricting what other OSes you can boot into. As they've chosen to.

Apple can now make their machine reject a new, third-party repair part like a bad transplant. Should they choose to.

It's clear where they're going. And I'm jumping ship. It's painful to do so, given how invested I am in the ecosystem, but we're already beyond the threshold that many of us would have left earlier in the decade.

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edit - It's also really hard as a designer + developer + would-be researcher in the making to find a good computer. Most non-Apple laptops don't have very good color accuracy. They also don't have good trackpads, and their keyboard + trackpad alignment is wonky (it's off-center in a lot of cases! How weird is that???)

I'm trying to find a laptop with good build quality, long battery life, a good display that I can design on, a good trackpad so that I don't have to carry around a mouse, good speakers would be a plus, and light enough that I don't feel like I'm lifting weights while working on my laptop. And this package should ideally come with 512GB of SSD storage and, at least, 16GB to 32GB of RAM.

Oh and it shouldn't be more expensive than a Mac as many of these laptops are!

Any suggestions?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by noisy_boy »

eulers_secret wrote: post #245
_iyig wrote: post #124

This is the reason I needed to switch to a Linux laptop. I cannot be beholden to Apple’s - or anyone’s - servers when it comes to running applications on my own machine. Any recommendations? I’ve heard good things about System76.

System 76 makes a nice looking thin/light 14" laptop (Lemur pro). Dell's XPS 13 line has Linux support (the Dev Edition comes with Ubuntu), I bought one of these and it's great. Only big problem was thermald/RAPL would keep the SOC at 15W after a very short 'boost' - updating to master fixed this problem... but Linux still requires 'tweaking'. Another example: sleep on the XPS is not S3, but S2Idle - so it uses extra…

I always wanted to have a Thinkpad but couldn't afford it - finally bought X1 Extreme Gen 2 and put Pop_OS! (System76's distribution built on top of Ubuntu) on it. Everything including fingerprint scanner works; I once had it hang when resuming from suspend but I mostly don't use sleep/suspend so wasn't too bothered. If you buy the laptop from System76, I would assume everything would basically just work since they are configuring everything.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by craftinator »

floatingatoll wrote: post #355
tshaddox wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. The answer is pretty simple: these problems are extremely rare, they don't last very long, and they tend to have…

The payoff for the very slight risk is an effective built-in malware prevention system that doesn’t treat me abusively and reacts in a timely manner to abusive circumstances. After decades of production operations, I have no complaints about how this was handled, and I expect they’ll investigate and patch any defects exposed by the outage. I went for a walk when this happened and when I got back it was fixed. Works f…

What's it like renting a computer?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by mekster »

_iyig wrote: post #124

This is the reason I needed to switch to a Linux laptop. I cannot be beholden to Apple’s - or anyone’s - servers when it comes to running applications on my own machine. Any recommendations? I’ve heard good things about System76.

It's funny to see people run around in panic for 1 little temporary problem and seek alternatives which could make them panic even more often.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by phkahler »

submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

> I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so, the entire operating system grinds to a halt.

That's another case of a product not doing its primary function - OS running apps - because company placed their own (data gathering) objective above it. See thermostats not turning on heat when the internet connection is down and other equally stupid examples...

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pinacarlos90 »

I experienced this earlier today. I ended up creating a reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/macbook/comments/jt3pqx/third_party...)

I also noticed that the symptoms go way if you manually disable WIFI.

Who architected this solution? Imagine an OS that needs to ping a server every time you launch an application and if the server down it renders your system useless.

The dev-community needs to push back on this issue and perhaps apple will re-think this solution

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by [deleted] »

elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

danbolt wrote: post #175
MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will be a full on linux junkie when that happens.

I’m slowly transitioning as competently as I can.

Mentally I'm there. But in terms of convenience I'm not. Thankfully my entire workflow has been done with OSS compatible with linux in mind so switching over is little more than an inconvenience for me. It all started because I couldn't use specific software in my workflow with linux...even if I paid for it. So then I started looking for good OSS alternatives and now I've basically become OS agnostic.
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