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Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by whatshisface »

cooljacob204 wrote: post #500
publicola1990 wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also TikTok hasn't violated US laws, then where is the case for banning them? Banning something that is perfectly legal seems absurd to do in our legal system. Also US government hasn't made a specific claim of any imminent security threat posed by TikTok. From a data security point of view the expert opinion seems to be that there isn't a clear cut case for singling out and banning tiktok. The ban is therefore undou…

TikTok is not ran or based in the US. I don't get why you think they would be protected under US laws like a US based corporation. Congress and Executive branch can easily ban foreign companies from operating in the US and there is a long history of them doing so.

Some TikTok users are in the US, and taking a service away from them should happen under US law.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by braythwayt »

blackoil wrote: post #171
localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

By extension, you recommend Europe, India and most countries should block fb, twitter because this is too much power to let US have over them.

Never mind Europe. As a Canadian, I question how we can permit Facebook to act as a massive conduit for official American propaganda like QAnon.

If it's a national security issue for Tiktok to operate in the US, it's a national security issue for facebook to operate in Canada.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by ezconnect »

cooljacob204 wrote: post #500
publicola1990 wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also TikTok hasn't violated US laws, then where is the case for banning them? Banning something that is perfectly legal seems absurd to do in our legal system. Also US government hasn't made a specific claim of any imminent security threat posed by TikTok. From a data security point of view the expert opinion seems to be that there isn't a clear cut case for singling out and banning tiktok. The ban is therefore undou…

TikTok is not ran or based in the US. I don't get why you think they would be protected under US laws like a US based corporation. Congress and Executive branch can easily ban foreign companies from operating in the US and there is a long history of them doing so.

They have a US based branch that pay taxes and employs americans. The US branch has US law protection.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by 082349872349872 »

slimsag wrote: post #36
schoolornot wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is the national security risk with TikTok?

Information warfare - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_warfare#Books

Given that the oldest item on that list is 1993, I'm going to say they were all written by newbies.

(my current bibliography only goes back to 1919, but a historical survey in a mid-century work came up with biblical examples of information warfare.)

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by danShumway »

advanced-DnD wrote: post #451
publicola1990 wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fed government could simply order all federal employees off tiktok or any other service without legal hurdles. What is the point of banning for the general public.

Let's say a child of a worker working in a nuclear reactor site for "Bring your daughter to work-day". She's ofcourse using tiktok, and guess who has that data now. This is just an example. If I spend enough time, I can think of a whole lot more examples.

What a strange comment and line of reasoning.

Let's say the nuclear reactor site hosts a "post pictures of our site to Instagram" day. Then who has the data? And then suppose that the worker gets a text from someone impersonating his wife that says, "honey, you should text me some schematics of the plant." That would also be really bad.

And then suppose that the worker adopts a Chinese daughter, but really the daughter has been a Chinese spy the entire time, and on bring your daughter to work day she excuses herself to use the bathroom but actually goes and sabotages the plant by pulling an unguarded lever in a control room, sparking WW3. What is the US doing to protect against that happening?

Maybe you think these scenarios are unrealistic or that there are simple security measures that can mitigate them, but I want to stress that these are just examples. If I spend enough time, I can think of a whole lot more examples.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by mistermann »

publicola1990 wrote: post #362
localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

Also TikTok hasn't violated US laws, then where is the case for banning them? Banning something that is perfectly legal seems absurd to do in our legal system. Also US government hasn't made a specific claim of any imminent security threat posed by TikTok. From a data security point of view the expert opinion seems to be that there isn't a clear cut case for singling out and banning tiktok. The ban is therefore undou…

> The ban is therefore undoubtedly a political move, and that is problematic.

Another possibility is that objective physical reality contains some information (some of which is Top Secret) that does not exist in your internal mental model of reality. An exact, always up to date copy would require something akin to omniscience.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by wobblykiwi »

username90 wrote: post #498
ygjb wrote: post #285

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Ok, but how is Tik Tok a national security issue, but the fact that damn near every electronic device available on the market is manufactured in or out of components manufactured in China doesn't seem to be one?

High end cpu's are banned from being produced overseas for exactly this reason iirc, so all of the latest tech are made in USA. China makes cheaper older gen components. Edit: Quite a lot of high end cpu are now done in Taiwan TSMC, they caught up to US capabilities. But most of intels cpu's are still made in US.

Are the chips in your phone manufactured in the US?

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by Frost1x »

whatshisface wrote: post #531
cooljacob204 wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok is not ran or based in the US. I don't get why you think they would be protected under US laws like a US based corporation. Congress and Executive branch can easily ban foreign companies from operating in the US and there is a long history of them doing so.

Some TikTok users are in the US, and taking a service away from them should happen under US law.

I think the information age has really pushed the limits of what we find acceptable to leave to independent choice in democratic societies. Freedoms in democracy are being abused left-and-right to highlight specific weaknesses fundamental a democracy's healthy function.

When it comes to TikTok, frankly I'm not sure if a foreign business under the thumb of the CCP is more or less a threat than businesses operating in our own country abusing the same freedoms for personal gain. You would assume those abusing the system located in the US had a vested interest in stability of the country for continuation of their lofty positions in society, but given broad anti-consumer and labor practices, both foreign and domestic are gutting the foundations of the social contract that make citizens want to believe in and support a democracy.

I think the biggest blow we've had in this country is widespread undermining and exploitation of its citizens for personal gain, which have left many unable or in some cases, unwilling, to support the continuation of the system being used against them.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by thursday0987 »

whatshisface wrote: post #531
cooljacob204 wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok is not ran or based in the US. I don't get why you think they would be protected under US laws like a US based corporation. Congress and Executive branch can easily ban foreign companies from operating in the US and there is a long history of them doing so.

Some TikTok users are in the US, and taking a service away from them should happen under US law.

thats not how tariffs work, thats not how international trade works, and it has never worked that way.

there is no right to any goods or services provided by a foreign entity. none.

prove me wrong by providing a link to a law, treaty, or other official rule that says otherwise. i'll wait.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by [deleted] »

Frost1x wrote: post #538
whatshisface wrote: post #531

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some TikTok users are in the US, and taking a service away from them should happen under US law.

I think the information age has really pushed the limits of what we find acceptable to leave to independent choice in democratic societies. Freedoms in democracy are being abused left-and-right to highlight specific weaknesses fundamental a democracy's healthy function. When it comes to TikTok, frankly I'm not sure if a foreign business under the thumb of the CCP is more or less a threat than businesses operating in…

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