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Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Anyone complaining about this has never experienced the frustration of rural living when it comes to internet. This is absolutely amazing, and it will just get better. Even a reliable 10mbps would be a godsend in many places.

I am with one of the world’s biggest telcos, Telstra, on a fully owned and operated fibre-to-the-premises network. I live in a decade old estate half an hour from the centres of the third and sixth largest cities in the country. The maximum upload speed currently on sale on that network is 1 Mbps. And it’s a monopoly. Inequality in Internet access aside, that maximum is below the average fixed upload speed of 170 out…

Wow, that's terrible. People like to complain about internet speeds in Australia, but I thought it was OK if you had FTTP. This is the first I've heard of these localised garbage fibre monopolies. https://www.itnews.com.au/news/telstra-gets-two-more-years-t...

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#532
Some states in India ( Andhra Pradesh ) has started infrastructure projects for laying down fiber optic cables across, connecting all villages( nearly all), for both cable, telephone and internet services. This had tremendous impact on internet speeds in rural areas.

I am writing this message from one of the remote areas with roughly 60Mbps connection.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#533

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> The article says the beta testers are seeing 30-90ms. That's actually pretty impressive.

Why is that impressive if the original press announcement said it would be < 20ms?

There's an update to the article with more speedtests, including one hitting 20ms

That's better than the latency on my fiber connection

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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More useful to me would be bufferbloat [1] tests. Any starlink beta testers on HN? Also useful would be nuttcp or iperf3 tests just in case they optimized / prioritized for sites like dslreports and other speed test sites. [1] - http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest

Yep. It's pretty much a given that if you want to compare Starlink to a good terrestrial ISP, you'll be disappointed. But compared to any other satellite ISP, Starlink should be impressive, especially in terms of latency. So testing and media coverage of Starlink should focus more on latency than throughput, and testing latency properly means testing latency under load.

... and the network only has a handful of beta testers on it at the moment, so any load tests are going to be meaningless.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#535
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A lot of what you're saying isn't actually true here. Light moves significantly (47%) slower through optical fiber than through space. This drastically reduces the latency of long distance connections. We're talking NY round trip to Japan in the same time it takes NY roundtrip to the UK now. The cost of backhaul and ongoing maintenance of cables is a lot more than SpaceX launching their own satellites by an entire or…

> Light moves significantly (47%) slower through optical fiber than through space The what? As far as I know c is a constant.

Downvotes are unfair; this part of physics I either forgot, or never learnt, I can't tell. Thanks to those who pointed me at links.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Starlink internet is not meant to replace hard line internet. There is no getting around the physics of cable being so much cheaper/easier. Even terrestrial cell towers are more efficient and cheaper than satellites. This is 100% meant to supplement existing infrastructure not to replace it. You will almost always get cheaper and faster internet (for both you and the company providing internet) over a cable to your h…

"5g could beat out ISPs at cost"

Fixed line ISPs share much of the same infrastructure with 5g/4g providers. The only difference between them is the last mile, so it's not like 5g providers magically dont need any backhaul infrastructure and could provide dramatically lower prices.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Ok you got me with "overlooking the ocean". I will admit, I was a little bit envious. But then I recalled the great Terry Pratchett quote that you are living on a continent where pretty much every animal, except for maybe some sheep, is equipped with some venom and actively trying to kill you. Plus some of the plants. So I guess it's fair play.

From an Australian perspective, the USA can look like a place where the earth might suddenly turn to jelly and knock your city down, or giant wind vortexes could descend from the sky and carry you away - things which seem more terrifying to me than a few animals I can easily avoid. I kind of assume those things are blown out of proportion in media much the same way our wildlife is.

We should take into account the fact that Terry Pratchett lived in England where there is very little in the way of either deadly wildlife or significant natural disasters.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#538

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Totally agree. Also - my frustrations over the last few days compel me to point out that the latest AAA shooter is in fact 227 GB, plus >100GB of updates.

Has anyone come out with a reason for the size? I mean they seem to reuse a lot of the same textures throughout the game so I have a hard time understanding how it managed to swell to that.

Probably because bandwidth is cheap and artists are expensive.

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Has anyone come out with a reason for the size? I mean they seem to reuse a lot of the same textures throughout the game so I have a hard time understanding how it managed to swell to that.

Games have always had this dilemma. Content creators and level makers will simply try to push in as much as they possibly can until something says stop. Historically this has been the size of one CD but nowadays there are no such clearly defined limits. If the engine starts compressing better then the map creators will just use that newly gained savings to add even more content.

Exactly. The limiting factor isn’t megabytes, it’s how long the customer will be willing to wait for a download.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#540

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Australian (Sydney, 30 minutes train from CBD) here, I pay $60/m for 45mbps but my line potential is 35mbps. My average speed is around 20mbps (just ran a speedtest and it was 22mbps). Some places have 100mbps, but most don't live in those areas. I am lucky to get the speeds that I do, honestly. I'm watching both 5g and starlink with great interest as they will be up and running before the next infrastructure initiat…

Unfortunately, I doubt Starlink will be generally available that close to Sydney CBD. The population density would be too high. Maybe Sydney’s rural fringe? (Dural? Glenorie? Maroota? Wiseman’s Ferry? Camden? Rural parts of Central Coast like Holgate, Lisarow, Somersby?)

Parts of australia are too rural for starlink... Without a ground station within ~500km you won't be getting service. That'll be the case right in the middle of australia I'd guess.
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