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Secure by default is super onerous though. What if I just want to try out something before committing to it, do I really need to jump through a bunch of security hoops?
Then you just pass the `--disable-all-security` flag. (Or whatever similar method the project you're using exposes to allow that.) Secure-by-default doesn't have to be complicated; it's just a way to ensure people don't shoot themselves in the foot without comprehending what they're doing.
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I don't think this is the case of people not being concerned, but simply the ignorance on their part about the setup. People just presume that the defaults are safe, and never bother getting into the details.
At the risk of arguing "no true Scotsman," someone who is concerned about security likely wouldn't make assumptions about defaults. Or rather, someone appropriately paranoid about security concerns would not trust defaults without at least reviewing them.
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And getting a lesson in security for free it seems, it sucks but security is important.
Free? It would have required more effort, but they could have encrypted all the data, and then sent the key to a well-known white-hat security researcher, or someone who could be trusted to administrate important cases (they'd of course be free to ignore it). The encryption could be done on the compromised server with a forEach, so it'd be a single request. I think some people in this thread want to be a bit too "abs…
Would you like it if someone involved you in adjudicating potentially illegal (under CFAA & others) without your consent?
This is clearly not a white hat hacker looking to teach people lessons about security. If it were, they could have furnished a list to the major cloud providers of broken instances and given them time to notify and remediate.
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I think you might be conflating these (or maybe I should say the gp is). Nevertheless. Do you have a reference to the history of key combos like ctrl f, b, n, p and a and e? Those are typically referred to as emacs style navigation and I am genuinely unaware of history of those as common tty control codes outside of emacs for cursor movement. They weren’t dec vt control codes. Ctrl-U was though and even has ASCII ass…
> Do you have a reference to the history of key combos like ctrl f, b, n, p and a and e? Those are typically referred to as emacs style navigation and I am genuinely unaware of history of those as common tty control codes outside of emacs for cursor movement. I've always heard of it as an ASCII control character and gets its history from Unix interpretations of really old IBM keyboards which got its history from type…
I read your post and thought, "I've misremembered the story."
But the Wikipedia page for the Teletype-33 claims that it 1) had control characters, and 2) was inspiration for some of the ASCII character set, which was defined later in the same year:
Re: New ‘Meow’ attack has deleted almost 4k unsecured databases
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Secure by default is super onerous though. What if I just want to try out something before committing to it, do I really need to jump through a bunch of security hoops?
Then you just pass the `--disable-all-security` flag. (Or whatever similar method the project you're using exposes to allow that.) Secure-by-default doesn't have to be complicated; it's just a way to ensure people don't shoot themselves in the foot without comprehending what they're doing.
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That shouldn't be happening, can you confirm? It should flush out the old ones based on the current DNS information. The whole point is to automatically update the alerts based on the latest DNS information so you don't need to manage that yourself.
It was happening at least until June 6 2020, I removed that particular domain after that. If you want I can re-add it and ping you if it happens again. (where can I ping you?) I also had a support ticket around that time about this but never got an answer, guess it got lost.
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Nice, now they learn never expose a DB directly to the net additionally...bonus points ;)
Except of course they probably already knew that, they just accepted to risk to their toy database as a trade-off for the convenience of being able to directly access it over the internet.
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I assume the comment was partially in jest. But this would actually work well if it was consistent and fast. If databases get wiped before you have time to put anything important in them then noone gets hurt.
No, think about it, stolen or deleted? Which option serves your clients better given the generally awful situation?
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Any router designed for professional environments won't second-guess your networking setup. Either it will route everything by default or it will deny everything by default and route only those routes you've specifically added, but either way it's not going to do anything differently just because one side or the other is an RFC1918 private address.
I understand that. But, we are talking about defaults. The reason the exploits that this submission is talking about took place is because too many people didn’t change the defaults. Assuming people took the sensible leap that private resources equal private IP address, they are not going to then go out of their way to configure their router to route their private resources. As far as “route everything” how is it goi…
That works until you have a legitimate need to expose a few of those private IP addresses publicly (which is bound to happen sooner or later). It's a bad idea to rely on the same thing to carry two subtly different meanings - especially when one of them is security-critical.
> As far as “route everything” how is it going to know how to route from a public IP address to your ES server unless you specifically tell it?
The router knows how to reach the ES server (it has to be able to send packets to that server if it's providing that server's connection to the internet). So if someone on the outside does `route add via ` (or, these days, slightly more sophisticated alternatives) then they have access to the ES server same as if it was just on the internet. A few years back this was a big source of vulnerabilities - organisations assumed that their servers were safe because they didn't have public addresses, but nothing was actually stopping people sending packets to those servers if they figured out (or guessed) what the addresses were.
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And what if the thing I'm building isn't intended for the public internet?
Then why are you building it on the public internet?