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Re: The End of OS X

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

dkryptr wrote: post #452
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #72

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> And as for some saying that MacOS is becoming more iOS like: Yes, it's been happening since Mac OS X Lion with the fullscreen Launchpad. Nothing has changed. I'd say a lot has changed, because everything is a matter of degrees. As soon as I realized Launchpad was a piece of crap, I put an Applications folder stack in my dock a la the Leopard default, and forgot that Launchpad exists. Can't really ignore it anymore.…

I've been using a MacBook for ~5 years full-time for all sorts of development (including frontend JavaScript, backend APIs, big data involving hadoop, etc.) and I've never used launchpad. I don't see why it can't be ignored? I don't even have it in my menu bar.

Sorry, I wasn't clear.

Launchpad can absolutely still be ignored†, but the overall iOS-ization of macOS cannot be. It is ever-present, in every part of the system.

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† If it even still exists in macos 11.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by webmobdev »

danaris wrote: post #419
webmobdev wrote: post #257

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> I am a developer and power user ... Sure I can't disassemble my laptop and change the hardware. I have no desire at all to do that. That's a lie. Every power user tries to get the most out of their machine, and so desires an upgradeable system. No power user likes to throw away a system because s/he can't replace its battery or upgrade its ram or hdd / ssd. At some point, everyone likes to upgrade their existing sy…

Wow. He doesn't want to disassemble his laptop , so he's lying about being a power user? Have you ever heard of the No True Scotsman fallacy?

You don't need to disassemble a modern laptop or a PC to upgrade RAM, battery or HDD. Only most Apple systems need such crude and difficult disassembling to do such simple tasks of replacing these parts because they are deliberately designed like that.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by quijoteuniv »

greedo wrote: post #225
scarface74 wrote: post #119

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Apple never got sued for slowing down the iPad.

Nor did they force any iPad upgrades...sigh

The issue was that I could not sync my Ipad with Itunes anymore i believe, so I could not for example load music to my Ipad. So they did not "force" me you are right, but I did not get other choice because they disable some core functionalities. I aprecciated if you elaborated the meaning of "sigh", as you might noticed english is not my native language. And please do tell on your experience on the subject.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by quijoteuniv »

scarface74 wrote: post #410
xigency wrote: post #369

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> Apple never got sued for slowing down the iPad. I agree. > So how are two citations about Apple getting sued for slowing down iPhones relevant? This is proof that iOS devices like the iPad and the iPhone can be slower after an Apple software update. As the case was settled without Apple admitting any wrongdoing, we can only hypothesize about the performance issue. I agree that in the case of iPhones battery managem…

The citations are proof of nothing related to OS upgrades. It’s true that iOS devices do slow down with newer operating systems, but the articles that were cited about lawsuits were about slowdowns on iPhones caused by battery management. The lawsuits were about Apple not informing users that they could have fixed the specific slowdown by buying new batteries. I’m not arguing that older devices don’t get slower with…

I am glad you drive for acuracy in posts, I did assume that the issue with slowing down was the same as the one they where fined for. I guess I will never know. The point of my posts is conveing a bad user experience, which you seem to have had yourself too, and posted several posts later. So the "sued" is not relevant anymore. we can agree on the slowing down/bad experience aspect :)

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by pjmlp »

sudosysgen wrote: post #468
pjmlp wrote: post #407

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Plenty of times actually, that is why they sell Windows OEM CDs and macOS used to be sold on stores as well.

They basically sold recovery keys. As far as Windows, 95% of the people I know pirated Windows. The only people that buy windows are enterprises.

Windows has been being sold in boxes since early 90s, 30 years long by now, and while rampant in some countries, not every country is/was a piracy dream.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by millimeterman »

saghm wrote: post #359
y7 wrote: post #288

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Applications and hardware drivers on Mac just work. Even Homebrew works pretty nicely. The visuals of Mac are vastly superior to any flavor of Linux I've tried: smooth graphics, font rendering, HiDPI support, etc. Some aspects of Mac hardware (screen, touchpad) are very hard to come by with other manufacturers. At this point I'll probably switch to Linux as soon as my 2015 Macbook stops working, but I would've really…

> Even Homebrew works pretty nicely It always surprises me when people cite homebrew as a plus rather than a minus in these discussions. Compared to the experience I have with Linux package managers, I've found homebrew to be extraordinarily slow even at the best of times. A simple "brew update" will generally take at least 30 seconds; in that time on something like pacman, I'll usually not only have already finished…

While Homebrew is absolutely slow, the experience of package management on macOS (homebrew gets you bleeding-edge versions of the crap you install, whereas Apple manages the system and keeps it stable) is IMO better than Linux where the choice of stable vs. bleeding-edge is systemwide.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by shmerl »

oneplane wrote: post #521
shmerl wrote: post #490

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I don't really care for their excuses why they don't do it. Even if anything of that applied in the past, they have no excuse today. The bottom line - they don't do it and don't allow let's say hardware makers to provide drivers, like they can do even on Windows. That alone is an indication that it's anything but open. > You can still run Vulkan on macOS if you want -- you are free to implement it, run it, make shims…

> You aren't free to do that. Hardware drivers for macOS are all controlled by Apple. No, they are not. Apple ships some drivers themselves because they obviously support the hardware they deliver, but you are free to get your text editor out and write one yourself, compile it, and load it.

Apple won't allow you to run any hardware driver without them signing it. And Vulkan would require GPU driver support for it. So they are the gatekeeper who is preventing this from happening. Keyword here is gatekeeper. "Open" system much? In open systems gatekeepers aren't in the way of the user.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by banachtarski »

oneplane wrote: post #305
banachtarski wrote: post #243

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I just "use linux" and I get all the benefits with much better hardware (more memory, disk storage, speed for compilation), better drivers (important especially for GPU support for either graphics/rendering work or machine learning) and my downsides are... what exactly? Itunes, Mail, etc, none of the software shipping with MacOS is actually any good. I don't use Safari. From your perspective, what aspect of the "cust…

Have you noticed how all your arguments are fine yet only personal preferences? (except dataloss) The UX, UI and 'feel' is what makes people use one thing over another. Unless you can replicate that, or can do better, nobody's getting swayed either way (and that's fine, do what you want). There is no objective 'my pc is better than your pc' because you're not the same person as the one you'd be attempting to compare…

How is better hardware-to-price ratio and driver performance a "personal preference?" Do you not want those things? If you're saying that having a particular UI is important, that's another matter. I'm just explaining what it is that caused me to ditch the Mac ecosystem.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by lostmsu »

harpratap wrote: post #510
lostmsu wrote: post #481

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His claim is he did it 15 years ago, and never had to touch anything else since. Definitely a stretch, but quite believable. Just a few days ago I had to figure out how to reinstall Nvidia driver after Ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 upgrade. And the damn thing still shows my primary screen panned whenever I log off/log back on. I was glad to return to Windows when the Linux-specific issue was solved.

Isn't this YOUR problem you are using an infamously unsupported hardware with Linux? The problems would be same if you use Hackintosh on unsupported hardware too.

Somehow I need my GPGPU and there are currently no good alternatives.
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