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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by lern_too_spel » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 2:19 AM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #504

lern_too_spel wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There remains no evidence that the NSA is deliberately flouting the law. If there were, Snowden would have leaked that instead of lists of hacked Chinese computer systems.

I don't understand the timeline you're implying. Snowden did blow the whistle on this program, in 2013 . Your link was from 2015, and now it's 2019, if I'm not mistaken. Snowden has lost the access he had before his whistleblowing. It will take another whistleblower to reveal the scale of current unsupervised malfeasance.

You're not following the point. The point was that people did care about the leaks and took appropriate action.

Secondarily, you're not understanding the leaked documents. The leaked documents showed that the NSA believed that the phone metadata program was legal. Once there is a court ruling that it is illegal, its lawyers cannot justify the program.

Thirdly, your phrase "another whistleblower" shows that you do not know what a whistleblower is. Leaking thousands of programs where just one of them happens to be illegal but not obviously so (to the point where Snowden was far more interested in PRISM, an obviously legal program) is not whistleblowing.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by tfandango » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 2:28 AM UTC

kiterunner2346 wrote: post #420

tfandango wrote: post #230

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I have a whistleblower hotline available to me at work... If I see something and call that number, my identity will be protected. That is the way my company would prefer I handle ethical issues and I will keep my job. If I gather up evidence and release it to the press, I will lose my job. That is the difference between, say Snowden and this whistleblower. But that does not negate the validity of the complaint.

tfandango says> "If I see something and call that number, my identity will be protected. That is the way my company would prefer I handle ethical issues and I will keep my job. If I gather up evidence and release it to the press, I will lose my job." Do NOT believe that! The reality is probably quite different. Many organizations (both private and civil) make such promises but, in truth, the complaint phone line/box/…

I will remember your comments should I ever feel the need to call it.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by 0_gravitas » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 2:39 AM UTC

clSTophEjUdRanu wrote: post #101

Would have been nice to have Snowden actually there in person if he were not such a coward.

Might want to check your refresh rate, because I think your brain is lagging

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by sdan » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 2:41 AM UTC

nabla9 wrote: post #48

shusson wrote: post #19

Man Edward wanted to talk. Joe barely talks let alone get a question in for the first 20min.

Many of the best Joe Rogan podcasts are those where he mostly listens. Joe Rogan Experience #1214 - Lawrence Lessig is really good one.

Wasn't the case for the recent one with Tyson. Man, that was annoying.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by sdan » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 2:43 AM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #21

buboard wrote: post #5

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The reason he can be "more independent" is exactly because he's not dependent financially on media, not his MMA bg.

But he is financially dependent on youtube, isn't he? I am not suggesting he auto-censors himself but he is not "independent".

Not just Youtube, he gets paid sponsors on his podcast.

For example (in my case) if you listen on Apple Podcasts you can hear 5 minutes of him talking about brands. These brands probably pay him tens of thousands per episode to get a shoutout. Pretty sure YT may make a good contribution, but not so much that he relies on it.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by tkifnn » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 3:10 AM UTC

cookie_monsta wrote: post #484

garmaine wrote: post #436

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It was a death threat. He literally said the whistleblower should be killed.

To be fair I've only seen him on record alluding to the idea that he should be killed. Can you cite his literal statement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEDQFj9sFk

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by tkifnn » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 3:12 AM UTC

pacala wrote: post #113

Snowden: But I didn't come forward to be safe. If I wanted to be safe, I'd still be sitting in Hawaii, making a hell of a lot money, to spy on you.

Does the NSA actually pay well?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by jakeogh » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 3:33 AM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #530

shadowgovt wrote: post #515

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This email does not clarify the significance of either email.

I think that's the point. The leaked emails were boring and normal except to conspiracy theorists.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15003606

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by lern_too_spel » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:40 AM UTC

jakeogh wrote: post #538

lern_too_spel wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's the point. The leaked emails were boring and normal except to conspiracy theorists.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15003606

That claim is easily refuted with a minute of Googling, just like the Pizzagate conspiracy theory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Etymology_...

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by cstork12 » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:50 AM UTC

Lendal wrote: post #386

xrd wrote: post #195

Snowden's book really speaks to me on so many levels. As a hacker, as a boy growing up in the new age of the Internet. As a person who experienced 9/11 and never aligned with the direction it took the USA. As a person who questions my identity and the messages I get about identity on a daily basis. He will be remembered for a long time because of the actions he took, but if he had not done anything else, his book wou…

I used to agree with this but now that I've seen where this path leads, I think he should be given a fair trial and judged. Our government and the security of 350M US citizens cannot be held at the whim of a single hacker, no matter how right he believed himself to be. Our Congress has 535 members for precisely this reason, the president answers to Congress and is not a king, and even the Chief Justice does not rule…

He addressed this on the podcast: The Espionage Act does not allow for a fair trial – no matter how well you prepare your defense. All that would be established at the trial is that he is guilty of sharing classified information which nobody, especially not him, denies. No possibility to lay out his motivation for his actions.