Now 8ch.net is down.
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Can you cite evidence for this? My understanding is that deaths due to mass shootings hasn't really changed since the 70s, but rather the media coverage has expanded.
On what do you base your understanding?
Ugh, I just realized that I saw some data on school shootings, not mass shootings in general. I will look for it.
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#533Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well yes, and ultimately noticeboardflare has the right to do whatever the hell they want. And if your noticeboard is inciting nearly weekly mass homicides, maybe the noticeboard you're trying to support is a shitty noticeboard.
> you're trying to support This isn't about "supporting" someone's views. This is about simply allowing one to speak. Otherwise Google should be held liable for every single illegal thing that happens on their platform (and there are ton of those).
You don't owe anything to people who are trying to kill you.
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#535I love how everybody is having a cow over a website where the rhetoric isn't really all that much worse than a 'mainstream' site like twitter. For example in twitter you can find guys who call for children to be fed into wood chippers because they wear Maga hats and hundreds/thousands of people including corporate accounts like Burger King cheering assaulting people. And they almost all receive absolutely no punishme…
You can put together a pointed argument for freedom of expression being tainted, however your username and comment history paint the picture of someone who’s not exactly down with free expression and individuality. I always find it interesting to try to understand a persons viewpoint and put their comments in context of that viewpoint when I see comments like this. Sometimes That little look teaches me something about my own biases, sometimes it just reveals another’s.
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#536I love how everybody is having a cow over a website where the rhetoric isn't really all that much worse than a 'mainstream' site like twitter. For example in twitter you can find guys who call for children to be fed into wood chippers because they wear Maga hats and hundreds/thousands of people including corporate accounts like Burger King cheering assaulting people. And they almost all receive absolutely no punishme…
I'm not an 8chan user, in fact, I am not a fan of the chans.
I'm also not a fan of Twitter, and for similar underlying reasons.
On the chans it feels like everything is a joke of a joke, you're not 100% able to tell if someone is saying something intentionally stupid/rude to elicit a response. Coupled with the anonymous nature of the platform, and you can assume that it's one or two people trolling a thread and put it out of your mind. Because of that, you end up with the contra of mainstream opinion. And, yeah, it might have the ability to galvanise and individual (both for and against the rhetoric, because many people reject, powerfully, that kind of rhetoric and become champions of the other side).
I find the exact opposite is true of twitter. Instead of assuming it's one or two people who are trolling with the extreme of a mainstream opinion, it's -obviously- a mob, many people with verified badges are quick to jump on people for "wrongthink" and are exceedingly happy to extol their virtues and denounce the non-virtuous. Often they get so reinforced by their following that they become cancerous to the cause and have the same effect as the 4channers and 8channers (causing people to be galvanised for, and against their cause).
I see twitter and 4/8chan as two sides of the same coin, causing division in society.
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#537That site supported a Nazi in his efforts to highten his terrorist attack.
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#538It would be better if cloudflare terminated service for all media outlets. Every time you turn a mass shooting into a national spectacle, it inspires copycats in rapid succession as we've just seen. Mass shootings (generally) don't kill that many people. They are scary, yes, but not that deadly (statistically). Keep it local news, don't publish the name of the killer, basically keep the story away from the front line…
Hey, now that might actually work. Can't have that
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#539What kind of free speech are we exactly advocating here? The freedom to spread cheap hate, fake news and bigotry against minorities? I'm sorry but moderating such offenses isn't a limitation to free speech. For the same reason why, if you start shouting nig or monkey to black people in a shopping mall, the police is likely to intervene and take you away - and I don't think that any sane person would argue that they'r…
I get the gut reaction toward moderation at the corporate level, but United States law already covers these situations: hate speech, criminal conspiracy, and murder. The issue is lack of law enforcement.
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#540Twitter and Google (& YouTube) have systematically removed ISIS content and redirected these people to messages/sites that are designed to disrupt and deprogram their ideology. They’ve done this effectively for years. They choose not to apply this approach to white supremacy. https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/1158032847560675328
> They choose not to apply this approach to white supremacy. "[...] the measures taken against ISIS were so extreme that, if applied to white supremacy, there would certainly be backlash, because algorithms would obviously flag content that has been tweeted by prominent Republicans—or, at the very least, their supporters." https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-t...
White supremacist terrorism cannot be directly ideologically challenged by our present political system in America because it is the founding ideology of the country