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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Funes- »

Don't fret; memes are safe:

"The Copyright Directive protects freedom of expression, a core value of the European Union. It sets strong safeguards for users, making clear that everywhere in Europe the use of existing works for purposes of quotation, criticism, review, caricature as well as parody are explicitly allowed. This means that memes and similar parody creations can be used freely. The interests of the users are also preserved through effective mechanisms to swiftly contest any unjustified removal of their content by the platforms."[0]

[0] From the final press release: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_STATEMENT-19-1839_en.ht....

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by AJ007 »

varjag wrote: post #222
aldoushuxley001 wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is more likely to be hived off from rest of internet as most companies won't cater to such nonsense. Progress continues, just less so in Europe.

As long as their cashflow in Europe is in black, they will absolutely cater. But we'll see soon enough.

I've suggested before that users could post bonds to have publishing access to a platform. Large organizations, like Disney, would have no trouble posting a bond to allow publication to Youtube. Smaller "social influencers" could post under some sort of syndicated organization. That organization would take a cut of all of the ad revenue / promo deals, whatever makes sense up to a point.

This would also cut back on the amount of content being published to an extent someone like Google could have very robust and thorough moderating teams.

Cashflow being in the black isn't enough. The risks have to be offset. It isn't particularly clear that can be done without offloading financial risk to the parties who are posting content on the platform. Having very high financial penalties combined with legal requirements that are probably impossible to implement could just mean the "cashflow in the black" will be that way until it inevitably isn't.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by IanCal »

ralala wrote: post #182
Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

This also affects small online communities, who pay for their servers by running a few ads. There are a lot of these platforms.

Has the minimum size been taken out of A13? Earlier drafts I'm pretty sure had minimum turnover/staff counts which were far above small community scale (tens of millions/year).

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by soheil »

The misconception that somehow the old internet is gone is so widespread mainly due to big brands pushing their content in everyone's face, the old internet is alive and well it's just that the people who operate at that level can't be bothered to market what they do. Want to hack on Linux kernel? There is more vibrancy in that community than there has ever been. Want to find CVE and learn how to hack binaries? There are fascinating tools to do that today that no one dreamt of just a decade ago. Want to build a robot? Now we have open source robot operating systems like Ros that you can just write your python modules in and have a computer vision model tell where your robot should go. There are millions of other examples of how internet has gotten richer and more internet-y than ever! I don't buy the argument that the old internet is gone for a second, it's here alive and well, you just have to stop watching youtube videos, listen to idealogical podcasts, refresh HN/FB and not get distracted by reading random blogs to see the good stuff again:)

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by mcv »

fock wrote: post #472
mcv wrote: post #441

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"Such [content-sharing] services should not include services that have a main purpose other than that of enabling users to upload and share a large amount of copyright-protected content with the purpose of obtaining profit from that activity." Well, if that's true, then the big question becomes what counts as for-profit. Do you need to be incorporated? What about a blog that has some ads to pay for server costs? Will…

If it's your own blog, you are basically responsible for your own stuff. If you document where you got your assets from, I think every court will give you a pass, if someone wants to get you with the laws resulting from this directive (though the existing copyright-laws still apply to you). Youtube is the target of this law and as they earn money with your video, they have to comply with European law, if they want to…

True, but people posting comments could post copyright-infringing material. Then again, they don't get money from that (unless it's spam, I suppose).

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by toyg »

koonsolo wrote: post #415
cr1895 wrote: post #395

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>with this new revelation, I'm forced to move abroad with my company. Can you elaborate why that is?

Right now, when one of my users uploads copyrighted material, I can take it down when I see it. Or when I get a complaint (DMCA takedown). We're taking about teenagers here, so it's not always clear to them that they cannot use ripped sprites from other games, or music, or whatever. Basically I can make the uploader responsible for what they upload. The secondary problem is that my biggest competitor also has a lot o…

> after the UK leaves, not a single native English speaking country in there

Oi! Ireland and Malta would have a word with you, mate.

> I can just block that region (not the biggest one anyway

Not the biggest, but the richest.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by anoncake »

Pharmakon wrote: post #401
anoncake wrote: post #249

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Democracy is rule of the people. If the democratic process leads to the rule of a minority of powerful people, isnt it valid to say its actually undemocratic, or at least insufficiently democratic?

>What I find many times here is a belief in pure systems ruled by logic and strict interpretations of language (again, programmer logic), while real life and politics are nothing like that. Again, this is where you’re running into problems. You’re confusing among other things, the branding with the reality. The DPRK has “democratic” in the name, but so what? Even in less blatant departures from the spirit of the thin…

> You’re confusing among other things, the branding with the reality.

I have no idea how you got that idea considering I just wrote that the systems we call democracies may not be all that democratic in reality.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by ben_w »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #104
isostatic wrote: post #73

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The EU Parliament, who we vote for every 5 years (and have elections coming up), vote for a law. You don't like said law, therefore it's undemocratic? The way the parliament is elected is quite fair - it gives a little more power to people in smaller countries, but that's not unusual (UK westminster constituencies vary from 22k to 120k. U.S. congress areas are more even, ranging from 500k to 1 million). There's an ar…

To make my point a bit clearer: I am almost convinced now that "representative democracy" shouldn't count as a "democracy" just because the population can vote who they get ####ed by. It only works as long as the representatives see it as their duty to represent the will of the voters accurately, which I'm starting to believe is an antithesis to human behavior, and thus will never be the norm. I'm not saying that Eur…

> Take for an example the UK referendum to leave the EU. Even though it's overall a complete shitshow, and all sides usually agree on that, nobody can really claim that it wasn't a democratic decision.

Almost every argument I’ve seen about Brexit has included someone arguing that it wasn’t. This is generally followed by “oh, but Remain broke the rules too” rather than any actual defence of the behaviour of the Leave campaigns, which doesn’t actually help any of this look more democratic.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by toyg »

geff82 wrote: post #112
mweibel wrote: post #51

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Please note that there might be similar things happening in Switzerland, too: https://www.digitale-gesellschaft.ch/2019/03/23/demonstratio... (german only, sorry) It's all a bit different than in the EU because people may be able to vote against that at some point.. Whether that happens is another question entirely, though.

I totally did not see this. Thank you for the warning. As I am not totally into politics, I thought that the stupidity of the EU would not be repeated by Switzerland. Honestly, if they do this, I can stay where I am and take some time to investigate the situation in the US or Canada again. Of course, only it Switzerland, there can be referendums, while in the EU we totally do not have them.

> I thought that the stupidity of the EU would not be repeated by Switzerland

Switzerland is literally surrounded by the EU, which means it has to accept most of its regulations anyway, one way or another. See the freedom-of-movement capitulation.

It doesn't really matter anyway, these things sooner or later will land everywhere. The interests aligned behind are too big not to.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by aequitas »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #485
aequitas wrote: post #476

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They can't because you won't be allowed to upload anything that doesn't pass the content filter, or anything at all for that matter.

Are you saying every single EU website will have a filter for all uploads?

That or they won't allow uploads at all/cease to exist in the EU. The rules approved now are to unclear on what sites are and aren't affected. So what will you do as site owner? Take the risk of going to court or just avoid the situation entirely?
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