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We Need Chrome No More

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Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by tracker1 »

clairity wrote: post #517
Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #363

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Microsoft has always been a non-innovator. Their whole MO has been to wait to see what innovations catch on, and then dominate that space. The software/products they create in these spaces tend to be competent but not brilliant. They are almost a market-follower which happens to gain significant market share due to shrewd business tactics and, eventually, their sheer size. They have always mostly taken a 'wait and se…

i’m not sure i’d go as far as to say they were non-innovators. microsoft famously employed “embrace, extend, extinguish” but it required quite a bit of “extend” to be successful. ms-dos, windows, office, exchange, sql server, etc. were all solid advancements in their time. but they’ve certainly stagnated in my mind. i still use outlook/exchange and excel, but generally migrated away from microsoft many years ago now.

I do think their Office 365 and Azure strategies will keep them around for a long while. It's significantly better than the alternatives. All the same, most of my efforts have been towards not deploying to windows centered infrastructure, though Azure itself is decent enough.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by freedman1611 »

Look, some misguided individuals seem to hate Chromium because they think it doesn't respect their privacy or out of abject hatred for Google. But a lot are not actually looking from an engineering point of view. Browser's are the 1# security risk on any computer system due their complexity and access to the outside world. Chromium was the first (and mabye only) web browser that was designed from the ground up with privsep in mind. Firefox on the other hand did not have privsep for a long time, it was only implemented later after the fact. Not only that, Chromium now supports unveil, and new security innovation that blocks the browser's access to all files folders on the system except for what specified in settings.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by MichaelTheGamer »

mapgrep wrote: post #7

I enjoyed this post, but I take issue with the idea that Chrome was initially adopted, or served, "to break the Web free from corporate greed." Chrome's appeal was primarily technical. Each tab got its own process and could crash without taking down the entire browser. No one else had this at the time, and it was a big deal because Flash was still widespread so sites were even less stable than they are today. Luckily…

Hey hey. My name is Michael. So, just did a quick cut&paste of part of your comment that I wish to comment on: "Luckily, Firefox, arguably among the most 'free from corporate greed' of the browsers, has now finally caught up to Chrome on stability and speed (in my experience)," No, you're not alone. I will absolutely agree with you about Firefox quickly catching up to Chrome and at an alarming (but satisfying) rate. By that, I only mean that Google is no longer a sort of "underdog" like it was-at least when standing next to Microsoft-(and hasn't been for some time).And I have to agree with Reda's comment that Google has become the very thing that it was trying to stomp out in Microsoft: a sort of monopoly-just-short-enough-of-being-a-monopoly to escape the law's notice. What I fear is that Google will get so big and powerful that if they did get close enough to technically qualifying as being a monopoly that they could and quite possibly would be like, "SO?! WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?" And being able to because at that point, who COULD do anything? I never thought it possible for any one company until recently. It is too close for comfort. Thanks, Michael

ps- sorry it was so long. I actually am working on that.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by ZeikJT »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #466
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #463

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It's a balance, right? If browser extensions had kernel access, I think we'd all agree that's bad. Now, that's obviously an extreme, but where is the line? Up until recently†, I'm not aware of a situation where a popular Firefox extension was unable to work in Chrome due to Google restrictions. †I'm purposefully excluding the whole adblock thing, as that's super recent and thus not relevant here.

But it's not about the popular extensions. Now there is no more middle click to submit on forms and I used that at my old job to speed up a bunch of tedious tasks.

That sounds trivial to implement in an extension at least. If there isn't one already I could probably take a crack at it.

Re: We Need Chrome No More

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Post by kmkemp »

NeoBasilisk wrote: post #371
collinmanderson wrote: post #345

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They're commenting on why "Chrome rapidly gained market share.", not commenting on the current situation.

How did Chrome have better privacy than Firefox at any point in the past?

Chrome's primary competition wasn't FireFox as they've never been anything close to a market leader. My post was about what features led to Chrome gaining such high market share, and their default privacy settings were superior to some other browsers.
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