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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

nikkwong wrote: post #88

I can see how this is creating a monoculture on the web which could have some really negative implications going forward. However, chromium is open source; so I don't really think this is comparable to the IE days. Also, as a web dev who is trying to push the limits of what is possible given current web APIs, being shackled by edge's lack of compatibility is really a hindrance and makes really cutting-edge stuff impo…

>I can see how this is creating a monoculture on the web

It's already here, sad to see so many engineers I work with lately complaining so much at having to support anything other than Chrome and they're certainly not doing cutting edge work.

Find it pretty sad when really cross browser development is the easiest it has ever been in many ways, we're certainly not in the IE 5.5 days anymore yet there is less desire than ever to support anything outside their comfort zone and when real customers bring up something doesn't work in Safari their response it "Can't they just use Chrome?".

My first job in the industry was HTML/CSS for sites that needed to work in IE 5.5/6/7, Firefox, Safari and Crome had only just been released so maybe this bothers me more than it bothers most.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by sergiosgc »

vic20forever wrote: post #370
headmelted wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web. This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it , and starts using Chromium too. Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't…

> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. Watching Mozilla align Firefox's extension API with Chromium's, I'm a little surprised that they haven't already made the move. If browser evolution continues along the current path, I predict Firefox will switch to Chromium withi…

Do you mind listing mainstream sites that have serious glitches on Firefox? It's my main browser, and I can't remember one single mainstream site that glitches on FF.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by plq »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

> Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge.

I'd have loved to if it'd work on my development environment (! Windows) They should be focusing on porting IE to other operating systems and not leaving the control of a core component of their offering to somebody else.

They've been doing some good stuff lately, and I'm sure this is another honest attempt towards doing good to developers, but they got this one completely backwards.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by asituop »

Osiris wrote: post #206

With so many browsers using Blink/V8, couldn't it be argued that an independent foundation should be created to take over the project so that no company (Google) controls the code? Each browser can then implement their fork / skin of the rendering engine / V8. It could even allow the foundation to experiment with larger changes how Mozilla has done with it's rust-based renderer.

You mean everyone uses Blink/V8 and everyone does research as forks and merge it to master if they have something interesting to commit ? I would see a few issues :

- The 1st problem I see is that open source is often meritocracy and so Google will always be deciding because there will be much more engineer from Google on the project than from other companies joining the project. And anyway Google has no interest to try to align with MS/Mozilla interests.

- The other problem I see is that you need some independence to make fundamemtal changes. WebRender would never exist if Mozilla tried to fork an existing engine. They wrote everything from scratch and now they are doing fundamental changes to Gecko to be able to merge Webrender in it. If they add to agree with Google, MS, and other companies they would still be arguing and trying to convince them, and Google would refuse because they think their solution is better (or more suited to their own personal needs) and Rust would not even exist

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by likeclockwork »

petee wrote: post #496
gamblor956 wrote: post #260

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They want to avoid a second round of antitrust investigations. The first round was spurred in large part by the marketing push behind IE.

I really doubt this is the reason; for starters, the update of windows 10 i have now removed the option to disable Bing in the start menu, nor can I change the search provider. They're headed right back to where they used to be. If they are going Chromium based, its only to ensure everyone uses their chromium browser

They're embracing Chromium.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by piyush_soni »

Nullabillity wrote: post #346
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #330

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I test in Edge, and then I get shit cause it doesn't work in IE11. The only family member I tell anything about what tech to use is my wife, and she uses FF like me, which is irritating because then she logs in and out of my services and I have to do double the work.

> which is irritating because then she logs in and out of my services and I have to do double the work. Multi-Account Containers let you keep multiple sessions, to avoid that problem: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account...

Or the good old Firefox Profiles. Because Multi-account containers are still not 'that' separate when it comes to browser settings and add-ons etc.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by kiriakasis »

no_wizard wrote: post #229

I think this is interesting. What is more interesting to me is that this would have been a very good chance to align themselves with Apple (WebKit) or Mozilla instead. Effectively Google is far far more of threat than either of these two companies. In fact I think at this point Apple and Microsoft have so much more in common than different in terms of goals, they don’t even really compete head on anymore. Shocks me t…

https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/10697763353362923...

The focus is electron "This isn’t about Chrome. This is about ElectronJS. Microsoft thinks EdgeHTML cannot get to drop-in feature-parity with Chromium to replace it in Electron apps [...]"

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by minimaul »

cm2187 wrote: post #430
SwellJoe wrote: post #293

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I'm not sure what more they could do. They're extremely pushy about it in Windows. It takes several steps to make it stop pushing Edge when you open any web links. I don't use Edge (or Chrome) because I don't trust the companies that make them, and it's one small piece of my computing life I can withhold from them. So...there's nothing they could do to make Edge good enough for me, without fixing the lack of trust I…

Chrome didn’t come to dominate the desktop browser market by forcing users’ hand, but by offering a better experience. The few times I used Edge, nothing gave me a remotely better experience, I only noticed small annoyances and moved on.

One of the ways Chrome gained marketshare was bundling with heavily used apps.

Install Acrobat Reader? If you didn’t notice the checkbox, Chrome’s now your default browser.

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