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What liars. Apple has done this before as well, when they said they had "never heard" of PRISM, despite a Snowden leak showing the exact opposite. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...
Regarding both cases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag_order
The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Amazon and Apple
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Also, as far as I understand the argument, it goes beyond "Canadian steel is a national security risk". A couple of years ago, Mexico was caught laundering $2B of Chinese aluminum to avoid US taxes. http://fortune.com/2016/09/09/chinese-aluminum-giant-is-tied... The theory, from the Trump crowd, is that Canada is also engaged in similar shady dealings with China. If true, that would put the US at risk.
Even if true, how does that make it a national security risk?
However, the DOD issued a memo (penned by Mattis iirc) indicating that there was no supply related concerns. The lack of aluminum used to justify the tariffs was in fact just the result of the LME's anti-market-tampering rules creating an incentive for metals traders to stockpile the material in private stores rather than in LME warehouses.
There was a nice article about this yesterday, but I don't have the link.
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There were other considerations like the fact we were actually buing it from large reputable company and what happened was that some employees were doing it with no involvement of the company. The fact is, doing any kind of hardware production in China, you have to be aware Chineese have different value system and you would not be suited doing any business if you throw tantrum at any sign of apparent dishonesty (assu…
This still sounds nuts to me. Two thoughts: > they typically will not be thinking they are doing anything wrong. They are just testing if you notice and if you do not they will say it makes no difference for you but saves them costs. This is how children behave. Still feels like you’re rewarding bad behavior. You’re enabling them. I think it’s more that you’ve valued the low per unit price over having a healthy contr…
When you can't even trust that food is real, and when you have to bribe even low level provincial government employees (can you imagine needing to bribe DMW workers or even police?) - what else is an average person to do except to treat it as the norm in order to survive? Unless you're an elite, the only other option is to leave, and not everyone has that choice. Very little is considered wrong over there, aside from criticizing the powers that be; as long as it helps your clan. It doesn't help when Western companies and governments look the other way, as we see in past news stories and even the comments here.
I'm not condoning the behavior; just explaining.
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Seriously, why are we still outsourcing chip manufacturing to other countries? Sure it's cheaper, but we sacrifice a lot to have a society of corporate slaves build our tech. Security, core domain knowledge, capability, corporate secrets, patent rewards and enforcement, etc... All of it you throw away the minute you ship your manufacturing out of the country. I've seen enough board printing machines out there to star…
Canadian steel is considered by this administration to be a national security risk. But Chinese made boards and chips installed in weapons systems and crucial data centers? No problem. Let that sink in for a moment. https://www.wsj.com/articles/dont-trust-the-chinese-to-make-...
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> guess the contents of a box Use X-ray? or whatever can penetrate the exterior shell
All big and security-responsible companies issue their employees special phones and laptops when they go on business trips to countries like China or Russia and these are quarantined immediately after they return. They get wiped, X-rayed, disassembled and checked, including any accessory (chargers, mice, etc.). The more critical the field, the more you have to treat those devices as untrusted before attaching them to…
From what I understand, Boeing does this when employees visit France.
They have had problems with men in nice suits going through laptops stored hotel safes.
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#537I have worked in card payment industry. We would be getting products from China with added boards to beam credit card information. This wasn't state-sponsored attack. Devices were modified while on production line (most likely by bribed employees) as once they were closed they would have anti-tampering mechanism activated so that later it would not be possible to open the device without setting the tamper flag. Once…
Wait a minute... So your company has a Chinese equipment supplier, finds out that the supplier is tampering with your purchased equipment, and your solution is to add criteria to the incoming inspection? No wonder China keeps screwing with you guys. You aren't supposed to eat that cost! Write a PO with tons of fine print that says "We will disassembly units at random for compliance inspection. Non compliant products…
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The trick seems to be having sufficiently uninformed people in all positions that might get to write that kind of response. No need to feign ignorance when you can have the real thing.
At least in the case of Amazon, the denial is published under the name of the CISO, Steve Schmidt, who previously worked for the FBI for a decade. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/setting-the-record-str... Not saying he's not lying but it definitely raises the stakes.
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This still sounds nuts to me. Two thoughts: > they typically will not be thinking they are doing anything wrong. They are just testing if you notice and if you do not they will say it makes no difference for you but saves them costs. This is how children behave. Still feels like you’re rewarding bad behavior. You’re enabling them. I think it’s more that you’ve valued the low per unit price over having a healthy contr…
You're starting to realize that not all cultures are that great. >I think it’s more that you’ve valued the low per unit price over having a healthy contract. Well, when the choice is to either play ball or go out of business, it's not a tough decision.
What measures a culture's greatness? How can this value be empirically deduced?
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Add the USA to that list.
Are you saying companies should or that you know of companies that do?
Basically, any device brought to the US and a number of other countries are issued for one-time use; if they leave our custody for even an instant, they are to be scrapped.