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Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. The same thing confuses me with smartphones. Everyone keeps making these bacteria and finger print magnets thinner... the minute you drop it, it's shattered or unuseable... and so then you're buying a case to protect it from scratches and shatter... so what's the point o…

I sure miss the headphone jack...

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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The Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard does not have loud switches, but feels much better than the Magic Keyboard. Only the function keys are not great.

The ergonomic/natural/arc keyboards are, by far, the best products Microsoft ever sold. I do love the Apple trackpads, however. There is no better way to work on a Mac. As for my Linuxing, I have a Unicomp "Battleship" (PC122 keyboard) that's loud as hell, but has the best feel since the beam spring keyboards God added to the IBM 3270's when it made them in the 6th day.

I'm still rockin' the original Microsoft Natural on my workstation. My current motherboard has a PS2 keyboard connector, but I have a USB-PS2 adapter if/when the day comes to upgrade.

I originally bought three of them, and two are still working good.

I also recently bought one of the new Microsoft keyboards, and the feel on it is still pretty good.

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First of all, I disagree that people _want_ to put furry cases on their phones. Too many people have walked around for too long with giant cracks on their screens that they've realised it's better to slap on a case, even with the ugliness that goes with it. Having some minion drawing on the back of the case is just a minor positive. More importantly though, I cannot stand how glib Apple is with their devices. Surely…

Every phone I've bought for the last 5 years goes in a leather fold over case with a silicon chassis holding the phone in place, I'm clumsy. As a result they never get scratched or broken.

It's great that we have someone who represents a 100% of the consumers sharing his opinion here.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. The same thing confuses me with smartphones. Everyone keeps making these bacteria and finger print magnets thinner... the minute you drop it, it's shattered or unuseable... and so then you're buying a case to protect it from scratches and shatter... so what's the point o…

> I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. It's easy: every time people had the chance to buy thinner or thicker products, they flocked to the thinner ones. The complaints are random outliers around the internet, but the actual Apple's sales numbers (record years after record years and reduced sales for thicker…

Linus Torvalds?

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Apple. This issue is seriously simple. Take the previous design, you know the one from late 2012 to 2015. If you must (sigh), take out the SD card, HDMI, USB A, MagSafe and replace with USB-C. I don't know who suggested this, but whatever. Don't add in a touch bar. Don't add in an over sized touchpad. Leave the keyboard alone. The layout of the model is amazing. I purchased a late 2012 in Jan '13. It's been my daily…

1. Create good product.

2. Gain market share.

3. Gradually make product worse without losing market share.

4. Make product good again with giant price increase.

5. PROFIT!

Apple is stuck on step 3. Either they don't know that step 4 exists, or they think they can squeeze more juice out of step 3, or they don't have the technical ability to do step 4.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. The same thing confuses me with smartphones. Everyone keeps making these bacteria and finger print magnets thinner... the minute you drop it, it's shattered or unuseable... and so then you're buying a case to protect it from scratches and shatter... so what's the point o…

This is what you see from a consumer perspective. But from a company perspective, going thinner as way more benefits. Apple invested a lot in R&D to make things thinner, but when it comes to manufacturing products in mass, Apple is actually making more and more money year after year by building a thinner version of a model. They’re saving money (cost of materials) while increasing or maintenaing their selling price. It’s a win for them.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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I like machines that are built to take a beating. My penultimate laptop was an HP Mini 101; I only replaced it on a whim, and still use it from time to time. The keys have been worn to be smooth, concave and most are missing the printed text. When I last opened it up to add an SSD a suprising amount of sand came pouring out; having been taken to many beaches, tossed in bags, and generally used outdoors it had accumul…

> Running Linux, of course. I wish more people would. That's the best way to get any issues fixed, whether by filing bug reports, writing up a workaround on a wiki or Stackoverflow to help others, or fixing the bug. It's important for us to own our own tools, and keep the right to do with them as we wish. We expect this for our servers, but ignore it for laptops and desktops. If developers continue like this, then us…

> We expect this for our servers

HPE, it seems, started a policy of requiring licenses to upgrade their BIOSes. :-(

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. The same thing confuses me with smartphones. Everyone keeps making these bacteria and finger print magnets thinner... the minute you drop it, it's shattered or unuseable... and so then you're buying a case to protect it from scratches and shatter... so what's the point o…

> I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. It's easy: every time people had the chance to buy thinner or thicker products, they flocked to the thinner ones. The complaints are random outliers around the internet, but the actual Apple's sales numbers (record years after record years and reduced sales for thicker…

Linus?

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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I am currently using this horrible keyboard. Hate this thing. Before I've been using a mechanical keyboard, but coworkers complained that it was too loud. I like loud keybords. The sound is so pleasant and satisfying I want it to be even more intense. I want to feel vibration every time I hit the key. And when I hit enter I want there to be a minor earthquake. This apple trash keyboard doesn't have Shift+Insert. The…

I have used http://matias.ca/quietpro/ in an office environment. It feels 90% as good as a clicky keyboard and the colleagues I've asked about it don't mind the little noise it does put out.

Counter-point, I haven't had a single Apple keyboard fail on me yet (although I do not own the new Macbook, so I don't have the dreadful one) and my Matias broke after just 1 year.
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