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Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by philipwhiuk »

ubernostrum wrote: post #476
WCityMike wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want to point us towards where ... on Bugzilla and the Mozilla project wiki pages and the source code and all the other things you mentioned ... this addon was discussed?

Firefox is open source. Someone had to have committed code to make this happen, which you can use to go dig up the history if you want to. But you're not going to do that. Which is your right; it's just hard to complain about not being consulted/not getting to review/etc. when you're talking about a piece of open-source software with public repositories and trackers. Anyone on earth is allowed to see what's going on…

The bug is closed and it was only open sourced after it was already installed in people's browsers.

Firefox is not fully open source.

Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by philipwhiuk »

DonHopkins wrote: post #427
callahad wrote: post #263

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From reading the source, that setting is not exposed anywhere; about:config seems to be the only way to turn it on.

From reading the commit history, it looks like it's still under active development. @gregglind re-add 'fuck' to the word list gregglind committed 3 days ago https://github.com/gregglind/addon-wr/commit/da464ac8f1c3b08...

https://github.com/mozilla/addon-wr/compare/master...philipw...

Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by gorbachev »

ubernostrum wrote: post #527
gorbachev wrote: post #505

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Again, I did not have a chance to review whether or not the add-on would be installed and run on my computer, because you installed and ran it without my consent. This is not hard. Don't automatically install stuff on your users' computers. You're defending something every other software company has found themselves in trouble for previously. I really don't understand why. The fact that Firefox is open source in no w…

because you installed and ran it without my consent I didn't install and run anything on your computer. I don't work for Mozilla. And you installed a piece of open-source software whose source code you could have audited at any time, but you chose not to. You delegated the auditing to someone else, and now you're upset at what they chose to do with the power you gave them. You're free to complain that you don't like…

Is it reasonable to expect a software vendor, open source or not, to not install adware on your users' computers without consent? Yes or no?

If yes, then why would it be necessary for me to audit anything?

If no, then PLEASE elaborate on why?

Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by Sylos »

TooFastIndeed wrote: post #347
callahad wrote: post #299

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That's FUD. Mozilla is a 501(c)3 non-profit, and our audited financial statements and IRS Form 990 can be found at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/

From the link you posted: " The majority of Mozilla Corporation’s revenue is from royalties earned through Firefox web browser search partnerships and distribution deals around the world. Mozilla Corporation’s revenue and income support for CY 2016 was $506M, as compared to $414M in CY 2015. " Let's assume that "browser search partnerships" is what google/yahoo paid for having their search engine be the default in th…

> shady consideration for the money - check until proven otherwise.

I don't think that actually is correct. The Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit, as has already been pointed out above. As such, they specify a mission and then are legally forced to invest all money that they make/get into this mission.

And in their mission statement, they specify that "Individuals’ security and privacy on the Internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional." (Principle 4 in the Manifesto).

So, they cannot legally do shady stuff. And even if that means nothing else to you, the rule with law violations still is "Innocent until proven otherwise".

Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by ubernostrum »

gorbachev wrote: post #533
ubernostrum wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because you installed and ran it without my consent I didn't install and run anything on your computer. I don't work for Mozilla. And you installed a piece of open-source software whose source code you could have audited at any time, but you chose not to. You delegated the auditing to someone else, and now you're upset at what they chose to do with the power you gave them. You're free to complain that you don't like…

Is it reasonable to expect a software vendor, open source or not, to not install adware on your users' computers without consent? Yes or no? If yes, then why would it be necessary for me to audit anything? If no, then PLEASE elaborate on why?

Your original comment complained that you didn't get to review the software. My point has consistently been that you did have a chance to review it, and chose not to. What you think about what it did, or what I think about what it did, doesn't matter, and "what it did was bad" is not a counterargument to "you had a chance to review it and chose not to".

This isn't the first time a piece of software, open source or not, has released a new version that did something users didn't expect or were angry about. The sole difference is that, in the case of open source software, you have the chance to review what it will do by looking at its source code prior to running it. The fact that you didn't review it doesn't mean it was impossible to (that would be the case with a proprietary browser like Chrome).

Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by gorbachev »

ubernostrum wrote: post #535
gorbachev wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it reasonable to expect a software vendor, open source or not, to not install adware on your users' computers without consent? Yes or no? If yes, then why would it be necessary for me to audit anything? If no, then PLEASE elaborate on why?

Your original comment complained that you didn't get to review the software. My point has consistently been that you did have a chance to review it, and chose not to. What you think about what it did, or what I think about what it did, doesn't matter, and "what it did was bad" is not a counterargument to "you had a chance to review it and chose not to". This isn't the first time a piece of software, open source or no…

No, I didn't. You misunderstood my comment, and have beaten that straw man to death since then.

I WANTED TO REVIEW THE CHOICE OF INSTALLING AN ADD-ON ON MY COMPUTER, NOT THE DAMN SOURCE CODE!

Re: Unknown Mozilla dev addon "Looking Glass 1.0.3" on browser

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Post by ubernostrum »

gorbachev wrote: post #536
ubernostrum wrote: post #535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your original comment complained that you didn't get to review the software. My point has consistently been that you did have a chance to review it, and chose not to. What you think about what it did, or what I think about what it did, doesn't matter, and "what it did was bad" is not a counterargument to "you had a chance to review it and chose not to". This isn't the first time a piece of software, open source or no…

No, I didn't. You misunderstood my comment, and have beaten that straw man to death since then. I WANTED TO REVIEW THE CHOICE OF INSTALLING AN ADD-ON ON MY COMPUTER, NOT THE DAMN SOURCE CODE!

And you could have done that.

By... paying attention to the source.

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