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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by lgierth »

tony101 wrote: post #274
kodablah wrote: post #30

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> that cannot be censored I am not familiar with IPFS internals, but is there no pattern to the IPFS traffic that the ISPs can shape/block? Too bad about the entire IPFS domain being blocked, because besides the host, HTTPS traffic has safety in numbers. If only there was a way to proxy through google.com or some other popular domain too important to block.

> If only there was a way to proxy through google.com or some other popular domain too important to block. There is. Domain fronting is used in China to circumvent the Great Firewall. The concept you are talking about is collateral freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_fronting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_freedom

Thanks for mentioning domain fronting! It's also been used by Signal to circumvent communications censorship in Egypt [1]. We want to bring domain fronting to IPFS by making libp2p's websockets transport capable of it. [2]

Fun fact: advanced networking setups like domain fronting are impossible to address in a URL/URI scheme. Check out multiaddr :) [3] A domain-fronted service could be addressed as something like `/dns4/google.com/tcp/443/tls/sni/google.com/http/example.com/ws`

[1] https://signal.org/blog/doodles-stickers-censorship/

[2] https://github.com/libp2p/libp2p/issues/18

[3] https://github.com/multiformats/go-multiaddr

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by lgierth »

couchand wrote: post #351
diggan wrote: post #13

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Alternative approach: Instead of using the IPFS2HTTP gateways (that can easily be censored, as gateway.ipfs.io has already been censored in Catalunya), run a IPFS daemon locally that cannot be censored (but is not anonymous either). I live in Catalunya and wrote this tool for doing just that, in a easy way. It 1) starts a go-ipfs daemon locally, 2) opens up the referendum website in your default browser, via localhos…

I tried to go get your project, but got a bunch of "unrecognized import path" errors. Looks like you're pulling a dependency off of IPFS, do I need to set something up for that to work correctly?

You're likely missing gx, the package manager used by IPFS and many projects in its community. Try:

    go get github.com/whyrusleeping/gx
    
    go get github.com/whyrusleeping/gx-go
    
    cd your-project/
    
    gx install
    
    go build // or whatever you were doing :)

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by lgierth »

mtgx wrote: post #27

I hope Mozilla shows leadership in adopting IPFS support in Firefox. I don't necessarily want it to adopt IPFS right now , but it should have a plan for when it thinks the project is "mature enough" to be adopted in a mainstream browser, but also it should be early enough that Firefox is the first to do it. Maybe Mozilla should even get involved early in IPFS so that it can shape the protocols the way it would prefer…

We are working on extensions/addons for all major browsers -- you can see an early version here: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs-companion

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by pvaldes »

stale2002 wrote: post #528
pvaldes wrote: post #526

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At this moment, I don't see any tank. Maybe you are living in your own dark fascist fantasy? Beware and let us know if you spot any zombie

Correct. And because there are no tanks yet, the vote is moving ahead. There has certainly been some disruption, but the people are mostly still forging ahead on all fronts. The police have open fired on some of the pro independence people, sending a couple hundred to the hospital, but that is very minor in the vast scheme of things. A couple hundred pro independence people in the hospital isn't that big of a barrier…

Well played. You can exprime a lot of pro-independentist juice if you put a 80 years old lady in the position of being beaten and videotape all instead to try to defend her. Another point for the good guys.

Another possibility could be separatists thinking last week or yesterday "this is stupid, some people could be hurt!, for nothing!, why we don't stop this farce before... dunno... a 80yo lady is beaten or so?

I bet that the lady, or the child crying, would have appreciated that line of reasoning, but it seems that for separatists the more people hurt, the better. Curious if we think about it.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gutnor »

Romo wrote: post #472
spaniard89277 wrote: post #461

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They were basically granted monopolies by law, and it's industry priorized over other regions, when not directly pouring money into it. That was while the spanish little industrial revolution and even the francoist regime.

Sorry, but this is not fully true. Catalonia has had a long story as merchants and as a prosperous land for most of its story. Specially Barcelona. It was not Franco who promoted businesses there. It would be utterly unfair to say so. Further, the current investment of Spain's government is far beyond expected. Key infrastructures like railway, airports and ports. If Catalonia represents 19% of the GDP and 16% of pop…

> If Catalonia represents 19% of the GDP and 16% of population is nowadays receiving in a sustained manner 8% of the country investment.

That does not mean anything now is it ? The problem is to know if 8% is enough or not. And even if it is not enough, is there anything in the 92 other percent that is unreasonably spent ?

For example I pay way more in tax than I receive from the State. Is it a problem ? It depends: I'm not sick or in trouble there is nothing that the state can really do for me. If I were sick then I would like to receive some of my money back in healthcare. The amount should be the same than to anyone with similar problem. If I receive less, then and only then I have room for complain.

Here in the UK, the North complain about just the opposite: how much money is on already wealthy region, completely neglecting the crumbling infrastructure outside the South-East.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by literallycancer »

dane-pgp wrote: post #507
morgante wrote: post #397

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The notion of a referendum being "illegal" is farcical. No democracy should prohibit people from deciding to get together and conduct a poll on something.

The idea of a referendum being "illegal" may be counter-intuitive, but I don't think the situation is as simple as you suggest. For example, secession (not to mention sedition or treason) is illegal in many jurisdictions, and is a natural thing for sovereign countries to want to prevent. It is also natural for the sovereign central government of a country to put limits on what a regional government can and cannot do,…

How should countries be created then? If the central government doesn't let you do it legally and peacefully, that's on them.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by runeks »

samstave wrote: post #140
red_admiral wrote: post #72

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The attack mentioned on the page is brute-forcing someone's details from partial information: "it can be used to “fill the gaps” of information about any citizen. If you know someone’s birth date and the area where they live, you can obtain their government ID by trial-and-error on that website." The mitigation is slowing down the number of guesses/second that an attacker can try. In a well-designed key derivation fu…

Holy shit! People are hiring planes to ship them GPUs!? Jeasus!! Gibson was far more prescient than acknowledged; " the future is already here, but not evenly distributed yet " Wow... I had such opportunity and ability to buy bitcoins in 2012... and I missed that boat.

> I had such opportunity and ability to buy bitcoins in 2012... and I missed that boat.

You also have opportunity and ability to buy bitcoins now. And, just like in 2012, you have no idea what the price will be five years into the future.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by literallycancer »

pepon wrote: post #214
severino wrote: post #193

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Well, that's happening already: half the population does not want to belong to the state. The "democracia" here is you don't vote and never will. What can be worse than that?

No, that is not what is happening. Spain is a state where the majority of the people wants to belong to the state. Catalonia would be a state where half of the people wouldn't want to belong to it. I wonder if the future Catalan government will allow referendums so that such people will be able to split from Catalonia. Besides, not voting is also democracy. Most of the Spanish people don't want to allow these kind of…

>No, that is not what is happening. Spain is a state where the majority of the people wants to belong to the state. Catalonia would be a state where half of the people wouldn't want to belong to it.

Current Catalonia vs future Catalonia is the proper comparison. The one you made is just manipulative crap.

Should the people in Hungary have asked the Habsburg government or the population of the rest of the empire whether they can have their own country? Should the Slovenians, Czechs, Poles or anyone else?

Should the Irish have asked people in Britain to kindly let them have their own country?

>Besides, not voting is also democracy. Most of the Spanish people don't want to allow these kind of referendums in Spain. Therefore, Spain is doing what the majority wants (== democracy).

Self determination, ever heard of it?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by walterstucco »

Oletros wrote: post #441
walterstucco wrote: post #26

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Except being Spain, the country where inquisition and conquistadores were born and where Franco ruled till mid 70s?

Still with the black legend of Inquisition and Conquistadores?

You would like to be seen like regular people, but you all, Catalans and Castilian, are and have been the plague of Europe.

Every European knows that.

It's so funny to watch you kill each other over stupid arguments of "independence" dating back 1700

Grow up It's 2017

Still you managed to be the last western country to free yourself from fascism

Even Greece did better

And you still are fascists and are fighting among brothers for no real reason

Meanwhile we think we live in Europe and don't care about you being so childish

Franco is so proud of what's happening in Spain right now. He's smiling in hell watching his legacy unfold

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