Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub • Hacker News Board

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Post by jubalfh » Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 9:13 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #401

romanovcode wrote: post #400

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> Github is engaging in risky behaviour by reaching out to individuals (specifically activists) for hire explicitly on the basis of "diversity" and trying to incorporate those individuals in a highly merit-based environment. This is the main issue right there. If anyone is reading this and wants to have a lot of HR/PR related problems in his/her company - start doing this and problems will pile up.

The reasoning behind that is (probably) that unless they hire for diversity, it will remain a highly merit-based environment. Have to start somewhere.

Pray explain.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 9:13 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #401

romanovcode wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Github is engaging in risky behaviour by reaching out to individuals (specifically activists) for hire explicitly on the basis of "diversity" and trying to incorporate those individuals in a highly merit-based environment. This is the main issue right there. If anyone is reading this and wants to have a lot of HR/PR related problems in his/her company - start doing this and problems will pile up.

The reasoning behind that is (probably) that unless they hire for diversity, it will remain a highly merit-based environment. Have to start somewhere.

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Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Post by jubalfh » Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 9:16 PM UTC

tonymke wrote: post #81

The impression I have after reading this that Ms. Ehmke had a shit attitude and people got sick of it. And that she hasn't seen that yet. I'm sorry if this seems unempathetic - getting fired sucks, and is extremely painful. But there's no other way I can put it. A long time ago, when my career first started, I also went through the "PIP deathspiral", and it took months... maybe years after my termination to realize I…

The impression I have after reading your comments is that you're a gobshite.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Post by hasenj » Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 10:24 PM UTC

ubernostrum wrote: post #515

hasenj wrote: post #488

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Instead of complaining you could have just posted a link?

Imagine that you live in a world where there is a large, extremely loud (larger and louder than the actual world) population of young-Earth creationists. Now, imagine that every time you say something which even tangentially mentions evolution -- let alone something where the main topic is evolution -- some of those people immediately pop up with "got sources for that?" / "gonna need a source on that" / "citation nee…

Oh my God, another pointless rant.

I don't need to imagine, I do live in such a world, and here's what I do:

I either don't bother commenting on the first place, or I keep some links handy so that if someone genuinely asks I have something ready to share.

Surely passing a simple link is easier than what you're doing.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Post by tonymke » Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 10:24 PM UTC

jubalfh wrote: post #533

tonymke wrote: post #81

The impression I have after reading this that Ms. Ehmke had a shit attitude and people got sick of it. And that she hasn't seen that yet. I'm sorry if this seems unempathetic - getting fired sucks, and is extremely painful. But there's no other way I can put it. A long time ago, when my career first started, I also went through the "PIP deathspiral", and it took months... maybe years after my termination to realize I…

The impression I have after reading your comments is that you're a gobshite.

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Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Post by galkk » Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 10:28 PM UTC

I remember how I was infuriated by what she called "opalgate".

She got what she deserved.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Post by sctb » Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 11:11 PM UTC

BFatts wrote: post #498

throwaway8800 wrote: post #128

There's a couple of issues that stand out to me: Github is engaging in risky behaviour by reaching out to individuals (specifically activists) for hire explicitly on the basis of "diversity" and trying to incorporate those individuals in a highly merit-based environment. Secondly, Coraline seems to think that human relationships are a one way street: that she is entitled to be direct and even confrontational or insen…

"It sounds like she just flat out ignored her manager under the assumption that her manager just needed to accept whatever her therapist advised her to do, which is kind of ridiculous on the face of it." How, exactly, is this ridiculous? Is her manager qualified to give her mental health advice? Is her therapist less qualified? Is there some business "thing" that must be considered when suffering with a mental health…

You'll have to please leave out the personal insults if you don't want this account to be banned.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Post by Kalium » Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 11:26 PM UTC

pyre wrote: post #159

openmosix wrote: post #125

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Reading the full article, it strikes me how you can be "inclusive" if you are constantly highlighting the differences. The fact, for example, she dismisses PRs or code reviews because made by white males. Or the blog post on her first deliverable, rewritten by a white male. I don't see what could be the benefit to point that out in every sentence: that all of that is made in malice because of gender and race? If I ha…

> The fact, for example, she dismisses PRs or code reviews because made by > white males. Or the blog post on her first deliverable, rewritten by a > white male. I really feel like you are injecting your own issues into this. For example, here is an excerpt that you're referring to: > However, it soon became apparent that this promising start would not last > for long. For my first few pull requests, I was getting fe…

> I've never worked anywhere that I felt the need to start critiquing the code of people from other teams who were working on systems that I might not even have experience with.

I've actually found myself in precisely this scenario. Last time it happened, it was because I was called upon to help try to talk some sense into a somewhat stubborn junior engineer who couldn't grasp that they were making sub-optimal and potentially dangerous decisions.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Post by daxelrod » Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 11:35 PM UTC

bdcravens wrote: post #304

kevintb wrote: post #242

Why is this article flagged?

Because users with high enough karma flagged it. Users with high enough karma can likewise vouch for it to offset that.

I'm guessing that, despite the passive voice, kevintb is actually asking why those users flagged it.

Re: Antisocial Coding: My Year at GitHub

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Post by hasenj » Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 11:57 PM UTC

louithethrid wrote: post #490

hasenj wrote: post #487

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What kind of world do you live in where a random dude form the street has a 100% success rate in neurosurgeries? Well I guess if he performed zero surgeries then he automatically gets 100% success rate.

In a world where i know nurses often perform doctors dutys and jobs, while new doctors stumble around clueless. Knowledge on adjunct fields and skills can accumulate in a person over time, thus allowing them to perform similar feets. Like, a bright pupil might learn from a master, if it is not intended. It has happend- since medieval times- apprenticeships, although a attack on caste-think can happen today. Yes, they…

Nurses are totally random dudes from the street.