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Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test

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Re: Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test

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#9 is especially stupid because it's so context-dependent. SSE4 gives you a popcount instruction, for example, which would be easily the fastest way to do this, if available.

Yes, but without that instruction, the algorithm mentioned by recruiter is really the quickest way. I coded chess algorithm in the past and this was exactly the method top chess open-source engines used. But imho it is hard to figure that out without prior experience with this problem.

Yep. Went and tried the lookup method against a 5 step parallel shift and add method (which is the fastest bitwise way I know of without, and the lookup is ~5% faster than the bitwise way.

https://gist.github.com/monocasa/1d44a03cbd0170bfffc6a4a5c37...

Re: Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test

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First, it is definitely standard process to tell him (if they didn't, that's a definite failure). Again, remember you only have one side of the story here. I like to try to gather facts before assuming things. IE Ready, aim, fire, not fire, ready, aim. Admittedly more difficult in this case (and certainly, i have no access to it) Second i'm going to point out a few things: Experience may translate into wisdom, it may…

Google has never made it that clear what position I was interviewing for (and definitely not what team/role) when I interviewed with them. This was sort of pitched as a selling point, since after being hired you'd float around and find the niche eventually?

When was this? This was the case when i started (~2006), but it definitely changed and is not the case anymore.

Re: Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test

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post #520

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Perhaps that suggests you're giving them the wrong interview.

Well, general interviewing (unrelated to tech) contains various amounts of "are you lying on your resume" type questions. If someone walks in with a breakdown of 10 years dev, 5 years management, they should be able to at least comfortably answer system/coding type questions. As in, if you do something every day for 10 years, you don't forget all of it in 5. I had a candidate in a few months ago that was interviewing…

How can you not know what MVC stands for? It's pretty much a buzzword!

Re: Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test

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post #368

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So you're saying Google's recruiters don't tell what position they are interviewing for and that they found a 20+ years experienced engineering manager holding patents on computer networking under-qualified for an ordinary site maintenance position. Well, that sounds like a dumb recruitment process.

First, it is definitely standard process to tell him (if they didn't, that's a definite failure). Again, remember you only have one side of the story here. I like to try to gather facts before assuming things. IE Ready, aim, fire, not fire, ready, aim. Admittedly more difficult in this case (and certainly, i have no access to it) Second i'm going to point out a few things: Experience may translate into wisdom, it may…

> Judging an entire recruitment process based on one side of a story from a person who's clearly upset about an interview, and even 3 sentences i wrote on hacker news, seems ... silly.

How about the dozens of other seemingly qualified people who have complained about the google process?

Re: Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test

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From what I've heard, google intentionally screws with timing, who you will be speaking to, and other factors in order to try to understand how you deal with changes in circumstances.

This is blatantly false. Source: I work for Google. Our daily schedule is packed with meetings and we try to be as on time as possible, interviews (which are something that everybody should be doing) work exactly the same, we don't try to screw people over with bad timing just to "test" them. Sometimes it happens that people miss interviews and somebody else has to show up, this is unfortunately a problem and it shou…

I remember reading an article that this is how they interview for product managers? Not for engineers, but product managers are people who maybe need to deal with more craziness.

Re: Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, it is definitely standard process to tell him (if they didn't, that's a definite failure). Again, remember you only have one side of the story here. I like to try to gather facts before assuming things. IE Ready, aim, fire, not fire, ready, aim. Admittedly more difficult in this case (and certainly, i have no access to it) Second i'm going to point out a few things: Experience may translate into wisdom, it may…

>Judging an entire recruitment process based on one side of a story from a person who's clearly upset about an interview, It's not just this guy. There have been others: https://twitter.com/mxcl/status/608682016205344768 There's another measure I use to measure the quality of their hiring process. The output. Namely the track record of products Google has developed in house in the last 10 years. I've also heard a few…

> There's another measure I use to measure the quality of their hiring process. The output. Namely the track record of products Google has developed in house in the last 10 years.

That's a poor metric to evaluate the rampant complaints about a high false negative rate. I don't think that many people are disputing that the people who do get hired are qualified most of the time.

Re: Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test

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post #438

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> they found a 20+ years experienced engineering manager holding patents on computer networking under-qualified for an ordinary site maintenance position. To be fair, I've interviewed people at previous companies that had patents and 15 years at IBM on their CV and completely failed even the most basic system / coding questions. (fizzbuzz style). There are a lot of people that read great on the CV but then it turns o…

Perhaps that suggests you're giving them the wrong interview.

If the interview distinguishes between people you want to hire and people you don't it's a pretty good interview, surely?

Re: Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test

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This is blatantly false. Source: I work for Google. Our daily schedule is packed with meetings and we try to be as on time as possible, interviews (which are something that everybody should be doing) work exactly the same, we don't try to screw people over with bad timing just to "test" them. Sometimes it happens that people miss interviews and somebody else has to show up, this is unfortunately a problem and it shou…

I remember reading an article that this is how they interview for product managers? Not for engineers, but product managers are people who maybe need to deal with more craziness.

I admit I am not familiar with the interviewing process for the non-engineering sides of the org, but I'd still find this very unlikely and weird. We are very very strict in our meeting and timing policies as our meeting rooms are usually packed with people all the time so we really need to be in and out at the given time. It's counter-intuitive that somebody would delay a meeting on purpose...

Re: Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test

#540
post #20

This reminds me of the infamous Nigerian emails. They are so obvious for a reason - avoiding false positives - [1]. Cannot fit this same scheme in a Senior position recruitment at Google though. [1] http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-nigerian-scam-emails-are-o...

> This reminds me of the infamous Nigerian emails. They are so obvious for a reason - avoiding false positives

Unrelated to the main topic but I wonder if email providers could effectively fight those scammers by having chatbots automatically reply to their emails. That would make a bunch of false positive to sort through and possibly make the whole thing uneconomical for the scammers.

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