A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral • Hacker News Board

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Post by TeMPOraL » Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 11:34 AM UTC

groby_b wrote: post #284

skadamat wrote: post #146

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It's pretty well documented that people at SpaceX work 80+ hours a week consistently: https://www.quora.com/How-many-hours-a-week-does-a-typical-S... http://spacenews.com/op-ed-3-things-to-know-if-you-want-to-w... https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/25ixxq/is_spacex_wo...

Not only that, it's also not really a secret that SpaceX attracts people who want to enter the space industry. You get experience there, you move on. Yes, they have experienced people too, but overall, turnover is high for a reason: https://hackerlife.co/blog/tech-employees-turnover/Los-Angel...

> Not only that, it's also not really a secret that SpaceX attracts people who want to enter the space industry. You get experience there, you move on.

Which is exactly the kind of people that SpaceX does not want and who should not apply there. The turnover is high for a reason indeed.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Post by TeMPOraL » Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 11:36 AM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #232

joering2 wrote: post #214

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Thank you. So they are paid overtime for this, is that correct?

Not if they're salaried, which most of them probably are.

:O.

So US doesn't have paid overtime on a regular salary work?

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Post by jnwrd » Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 11:57 AM UTC

sickbeard wrote: post #180

dogma1138 wrote: post #166

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It's a deal breaker most likely, the terms of the deal were based on AMOS-6 becoming operational by march 2017. There has been high level of criticism in Israel about the deal as many seen this as giving up it's sovereignty over its space platforms even tho under the deal the all operations of spacecom platforms would be still handled from Israel proper, I'm sure the r/conspiracies is already booming with sabotage th…

So sabotage could be a factor?

I like the way you think. How could someone determine if this occurred? Rocket sabotage seems like a rather perfect crime, very little evidence is left afterwards.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Post by cptskippy » Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 2:09 PM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #383

cptskippy wrote: post #304

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How was it racist?

Short answer: If this was a french payload no one would be talking about this, even tho the french intelligence services have considerably more resources and a longer operational history than the Israeli ones. Long Answer: How was that not racist? Anyone who cannot see the quite blatant racism (and just to be clear, racism does not universally entail malice) in this "idea" does not understand what racism, cultural bi…

The OP asked if it was possible that the government sabotaged the launch because the national company behind the payload was in the process of selling itself to a foreign company and rival power.

There was no hint or insinuation of racism, you chose to see what wasn't there. You talk about paranoid rationale of countries killing birds thought to be Israeli spies as absurd, your rant trumps that paranoia.

The question itself is quite valid because, on the international stage, Israel is known for playing hardball and not above making attacks against allies or on foreign soil. However it's clear that other countries, particularly the US, have a far greater interest in that deal falling through. In any case it's not unreasonable to suspect sabotage though Israel isn't the most likely suspect.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Post by nateberkopec » Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 3:00 PM UTC

dandelany wrote: post #193

nateberkopec wrote: post #65

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I know nothing about space - why are they doing tests, where the rocket could possibly explode or fail, with the payload on board?

My understanding is that it is up to the customer whether they want to integrate the payload before or after the hot fire test. Integrating before means higher chance of an incident like this, while integrating after means significantly longer turnaround between the hot fire and launch.

Thanks, that's the answer I was looking for. Other commenters seemed to think I was asking why they test at all!

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Post by monocasa » Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 3:40 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #484

monocasa wrote: post #198

That was my immediate thought too. Israel is known for playing rough when it comes to sovereignty concerns, particularly of a technological nature.

Since this subthread went off the rails in several directions at once, we've detached it from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12406651 and marked it off-topic.

Sounds good. Keep up the good work! : )

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Post by planteen » Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 4:28 PM UTC

dingo_bat wrote: post #489

Animats wrote: post #314

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For the Space Shuttle, the flight termination system had two huge 10KW transmitters to send the signal. That would get through despite damaged receiving antennas, noise, or jamming.

10kW? That sounds like a lot of energy to dump into air. Certainly unhealthy for operators or people near the tx site.

You can get up to 30 kW (pulsed) on a MRI all directed at your body.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Post by joering2 » Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 4:44 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #232

joering2 wrote: post #214

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Thank you. So they are paid overtime for this, is that correct?

Not if they're salaried, which most of them probably are.

They why are they being allowed to work for free?

Is that even legal in USA? Aren't they obligated by OSHA and USDOL to be paid for the time they work??

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Post by ceejayoz » Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 5:34 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #532

ceejayoz wrote: post #232

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Not if they're salaried, which most of them probably are.

:O. So US doesn't have paid overtime on a regular salary work?

Not if you're covered by the "white collar exemption", which any engineer-type is going to fall under. Folks working 80 hour weeks at startups don't get any overtime for it.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Post by ceejayoz » Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 5:34 PM UTC

joering2 wrote: post #538

ceejayoz wrote: post #232

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Not if they're salaried, which most of them probably are.

They why are they being allowed to work for free? Is that even legal in USA? Aren't they obligated by OSHA and USDOL to be paid for the time they work??

Not if you're covered by the "white collar exemption", which any engineer-type is going to fall under. Folks working 80 hour weeks at startups don't get any overtime for it.