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There's a tad bit of sensationalism here. Yes, this is a HUGE drop to happen in one day, but the British Pound is only ~1.5% lower than the low of 3 months ago (when compared against the US dollar).
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Watching the BBC last night was like drinking better beer. I couldn't believe how much better it was, not just the broadcasters but nearly all the guests. The only bum note was the poor fellow who had to do a vaudeville act with hand-waving and silly magic graphs, and that was the one obviously CNN-derived bit.
We've had silly magic graphs for years! http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/swingometer/ Here's a clip from 1979 http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/swingometer/11202.shtml http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8646445...
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The support of Trump has data behind it. Second-hand anecdotes of people claiming they'll vote for Trump just to see the system come down is not data. Without data, it may be such a minority of people that it's not worth significant consideration in a discussion. I'm apt to believe it's an extreme minority given it's an extreme view.
Maybe so, and maybe people who voted in the EU referendum without understanding the EU are likewise an extreme minority. If you want to stick with easily quantifiable facts then I don't think this is the right discussion for you.
In any case you're probably right. Most people who voted to exit the EU probably weren't uninformed. Google data only represents correlation. General buzz about brexit is a more likely explanation for the search trends. Occam's razor dominates.
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Actually I think HN leans center. HN has no particularly inspiring agenda, it's mostly conformity to the status quo. There are extreme left and right on HN but they are usually down voted.
I see a lot of people leaning left and a lot of people leaning Libertarian. What's conspicuously absent is the religious right.
What's happening is that people who are facing what has been painted to be a major change in their circumstances are checking the internet for as much information as possible so they can figure out how to deal with it.
Translated into WaPo: the idiots who voted against the EU didn't even know what it was.
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Isn't that a problem with all forms of government? That the people in charge can be influenced by false truths?
When there are "people in charge", them being misinformed is the least of one's worries. The bigger problem is that they are very well informed about how their actions affect their own interests.
As someone with no dog in this fight, I have to say that many of the pro-stay comments here are dismissive, arrogant, and the epitome of hand-waving "we know best and everyone who disagrees with us is stupid or evil." It's an ugly and insular attitude that is itself usually a sign of ignorance of the other side's arguments and motivations. As a dev, I find it hard to believe that someone who can be so easily blinkere…
My rational brain agrees with you but I feel this decision was based on who shouted the most. I participated in some political online discussions (something I rarely do) in good faith and the responses I got were often uninformed (no idea what subsidiarity means, what the EU institutions are, the objectives of the Maastricht treaty, ..) and more often hostile ("fuck off you want us to give Germany another pounding?",…
If you point to instances of people with idiotic opinions disagreeing with you but you ignore all the idiots who are on your side, you have a huge cognitive blindspot and cease to be credible except to other people with the same blindspot. For instance, your last sentence clearly shows your biases: you skipped over all the comments on this thread that are in the exact same tone, but share your opinion.
In general, there is no point in discussing things with someone who is unable to summarize their opponent's position in terms that the opponent would agree are approximately correct. If you can't get to that point, that demonstrates there's not even enough common understanding to have an argument, since you don't even know what the other side is, or if the person you're talking to is a fair representative of it.
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I'm confused. Are you saying that Trump is not part of what you're calling the "Republic Elite"? Or that he's not part of the billionaire class? That he's not highly connected? Are you saying he actually cares about the working class? I don't understand how average Americans can buy into this idea that Trump is some kind of outsider. He rubs shoulders with all kinds of rich, powerful, and connected people, including…
>I don't understand how average Americans can buy into this idea that Trump is some kind of outsider. It's because Trump is politically incorrect. He dresses like the just got off shift at the factory and makes jokes about his dick size and most importantly, when he speaks, he doesn't come off as being more informed or articulate than his supporters. All it takes for a politician to convince Americans they're not par…
This comment baffles me, because one of the most consistent aspects of Trump's image is always being in a suit and tie.
I just searched for "Donald Trump" on Google Images. Nearly every picture has him in a suit and tie. The first wherein he was visibly not wearing a tie or bowtie was #70 (but he was still in a suit). #139 was the second picture lacking a tie (but still in a suit). #176 was the first picture featuring a person without a suit, but it was Michael Moore alongside Donald Trump (still in a suit and tie). #551 was the first image where he was not in a suit, but it was a caricature drawing. #603 was the first photo of Donald Trump where he was not in a suit; it was this picture: http://government.northcrane.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/...
#693 was the second and only other picture in the first 700: http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5580938f69beddba025...
It seems to me that Trump always wears a suit, except when he's golfing, and is always wearing a collared shirt. I'd be happy to see a picture where "he dresses like [he] just got off shift at the factory".
Wow talk about someone not prepared to look at data but instead sneer and insult . Quelle surprise (that's French by the way)
We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11970636 and marked it off-topic.
Didn't realize Stalin was doing TED talks now.
