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Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by inigyou »

pipes wrote: post #469
ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #284

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No ID checks at clubs, bars, or other adults-only venues. No school zone speed limits, or protected crossings on streets near schools. No requirements for railings on public balconies, fencing around public pools, protective covers over drains or other holes in the ground. Parents/guardians can just supervise. Sounds great!

None of those come with the downside of a permanently stored record of my conversations attached to ID.

Neither do most of the things TFA is fearmongering about.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by autoexec »

joenot443 wrote: post #491
autoexec wrote: post #141

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That's not really true though is it. The Sackler family caused over 500,000 deaths. Nestlé has killed millions of babies. DuPont and 3M poisoned every living creature on Earth. Nobody spent even one day in prison for any of it. Corporations all over the world routinely and knowingly poison, injure, or outright murder their employees and their customers. They spend massive amounts of money preventing the public from k…

From my perspective, the difference is that we societally condemn the Sackler family in the same way we societally condemn Robert Pickton or Ted Bundy. It is absolutely failing of the government and the American legal system that nobody spent time in prison for Purdue's lies and poison, we're in full agreement there. That said, this position alone doesn't suggest that otherwise law-abiding citizens should be more con…

No, the reason that law-abiding citizens should be more concerned about corporate surveillance than they are government surveillance is that those corporations sell all your data to the government so that the government can get around the need for things like warrants and probable cause while at the same time those companies are also exploiting your data every chance that they get in any and every way that they think will make them more money or give them power and influence over you.

It wasn't until the current administration that the US government handed over the people's most sensitive private data in bulk to private corporations in exchange for bribes.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by inigyou »

modo_mario wrote: post #515
jfengel wrote: post #383

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I really don't believe that they are. Historically, communities raised children, and leaving everything up to parents is an anomaly.

Historically those communities were quite small and we typically had a feeling of kinship with them trough families, tribes/clans, village life, etc.

Yes, and now big corporations have inserted themselves into each one. Your community is you, your siblings, your parents, your grandparents, your school, your sports clubs, your workplace, Google, Microsoft, Amazon and Apple.

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Post by Flere-Imsaho »

watwut wrote: post #505
xienze wrote: post #488

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> Because this is leaning on blaming to UK for everything the US is doing to itself an awful lot. Hasn't the UK had a culture of surveillance (the famous CCTV cameras) and arresting people over online wrongthink for quite some time though? Who inspired who?

No it did not. Online right wing is trying to push narrative that is all.

> No it did not. Online right wing is trying to push narrative that is all.

It's sad that people don't see what's so obviously happening in the uk. Censorship is alive and well in the uk, and there are plans afoot to further the control of the online world.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by inigyou »

inigyou wrote: post #405
zmmmmm wrote: post #276

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the weird thing about it all is that age is a bad proxy in the first place for a child's level of safety in interacting with online content. Some kids are super mature at 11 and others still need protection at 16. For some reason the world has fixated on "years alive" as a perfect measure of vulnerability and now are doggedly pursuing it. Even if perfect age verification is implemented, kids will be harmed. Because t…

Under the DAAA the parent can just lie about the child's age in the settings.

This is explicitly allowed and supported in the bill btw. It's not a workaround.

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Post by hdgvhicv »

inigyou wrote: post #516
happymellon wrote: post #506

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The US has a history of arrests over "wrong think" https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/18/facebook-com... https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/new-hampshire-police-a... https://www.fire.org/news/lawsuit-ex-cop-sues-after-spending...

This. The UK "wrongthink arrests" were for stuff like calling for a building full of people to be burned down. While the US arrests you for criticising the police chief.

The US rate people for quoting a murder victim and not having the right level of performative grief not seen since Eva Peron died.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by dijksterhuis »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #401
dijksterhuis wrote: post #377

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reads like you’re espousing a theoretical position from a theoretical perspective https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49205469 > you know, i feel like the "it's the parents' responsibility" comments that turn up on submissions like this often tend towards phrasing like " the parents " rather than " with my children i ..." if you’ve had kids maybe you’d like to share with the class exactly how you go about doing exac…

> phrasing like "the parents" rather than "with my children i ..." I need to remember this one, thanks! The only way parents can try to protect their kids from the world is to keep them isolated, homeschooled, or in some kind of commune or cult. Which unfortunately is not uncommon in the US. > let parents figure out how to parent While I agree, I also think there's a role in society to help parents on how to parent,…

> I need to remember this one, thanks!

direct experience beats reasoning which beats testimony, if you want something else ponder.

> While I agree, I also think there's a role in society to help parents on how to parent, via e.g. education and awareness.

i was quite blunt and one sided in my previous as it was more about the HN “vibes” than actual parenting.

there is definitely more nuance to the whole topic of parenting!

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by inigyou »

account42 wrote: post #508
dijksterhuis wrote: post #377

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reads like you’re espousing a theoretical position from a theoretical perspective https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49205469 > you know, i feel like the "it's the parents' responsibility" comments that turn up on submissions like this often tend towards phrasing like " the parents " rather than " with my children i ..." if you’ve had kids maybe you’d like to share with the class exactly how you go about doing exac…

> if not, maybe let parents figure out how to parent rather than expecting them to be perfect for everyone else’s benefit. Only if you can figure it out without building a dystopia for everyone else.

Sure. That's pretty easy, just copy-paste California's digital age assurance act. (Seriously go read it before making assumptions. It's not dystopic at all.)

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Post by inigyou »

ColdStream wrote: post #277
chr15m wrote: post #254

The right people to protect children are those responsible for them - their parents and guardians. If there is a problem with children not being sufficiently protected, that is the level at which to solve it. Give families tools and information to do so.

This is something where I agree and disagree with both sides. Parents should have the tools to protect their children, the providers should have those tools in place. But those that are dealing the goods as also heavily invested in trying to maximize engagement and so they do not really work to hard on providing those tools.

That's the same side twice.

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Post by expedition32 »

stuaxo wrote: post #353
tangotaylor wrote: post #223

> A joint statement by Buffy Wicks, the lead author of AB 2273, Jordan Cunningham, another AB 2273 author, and 5Rights Foundation states, “The Bill is practicable and realistic, drawing as it does on the UK’s Age Appropriate Design Code (AADC).” How is Buffy Wicks so damn gullible with tech legislation? Her AB 1043 and AB 1856 (Digital Age Assurance Act), intended to protect children online and regulate Big Tech (but…

We have dark money in the UK too and linked to the same orgs it just arrives via different channels.

You cannot make anonymous donations in my country so we know who the Israeli and American agents are.
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